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Re: An Interesting & Seemingly Objective "Argument" - CRF1000 vs 1090 Adv
« Reply #40 on: December 16, 2017, 04:16:08 pm »
So, Renrew, who are you really? :pot: :peepwall:
 

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So, Renrew, who are you really? :pot: :peepwall:

@2StrokeDan, a waste of my data...


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Re: An Interesting & Seemingly Objective "Argument" - CRF1000 vs 1090 Adv
« Reply #42 on: December 16, 2017, 04:30:18 pm »
 :laughing4: :laughing4:

You should be out riding that 701, my son. :thumleft:
 

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Re: An Interesting & Seemingly Objective "Argument" - CRF1000 vs 1090 Adv
« Reply #43 on: December 16, 2017, 04:37:21 pm »
Ja neh!  I am some what lost for words.

That so much crap can be spewed out and between 2 supposed adults.

One with eggs that are hard boiled and one that merely posted a link...

Nou maar ja... let me get back to my Kak Honda...
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Re: An Interesting & Seemingly Objective "Argument" - CRF1000 vs 1090 Adv
« Reply #44 on: December 16, 2017, 04:39:06 pm »
So, Renrew, who are you really? :pot: :peepwall:

LOL

I literally donít even understand that question :imaposer:
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Re: An Interesting & Seemingly Objective "Argument" - CRF1000 vs 1090 Adv
« Reply #45 on: December 16, 2017, 04:49:11 pm »
So, Renrew, who are you really? :pot: :peepwall:

LOL

I literally donít even understand that question :imaposer:

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Renrew, the "cooked-balls" syndrome that appears on the big late-model KTM's is already one huge put-off for any traveller. ;)

KTM can rightly lay claim to a lot of competition experience, but where do they find themselves in terms of touring bike experience?

The above is an important point, as Honda has a lot of experience over KTM when it comes to rider ergonomics, and this is the reason so many people state that they felt at home on the

1000At almost immediately.

Ek stem saam met 2T Daniel.
Hondaís experience on road vs KTMís is not even comparable.
I rode the AT and absolutely loved it. Ergonomically it is amazing but ended up buying the 1190r however. I adore my 1190 but would not want to ride it on a 10000km tar trip over an AT.

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Re: An Interesting & Seemingly Objective "Argument" - CRF1000 vs 1090 Adv
« Reply #47 on: December 16, 2017, 07:00:32 pm »
Who gives a damn , take 100 different riders and let them ride each of the bikes and there will be buyers for both , both are good bikes with their own strengths and weaknesses , it all boils down to personal preferences
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Re: An Interesting & Seemingly Objective "Argument" - CRF1000 vs 1090 Adv
« Reply #48 on: December 16, 2017, 07:08:16 pm »
Dux, if no one gave a damn, why would there be thousands of roadtests, internet comparisons and more tests between models?
 

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Re: An Interesting & Seemingly Objective "Argument" - CRF1000 vs 1090 Adv
« Reply #49 on: December 16, 2017, 07:37:38 pm »
Dux, if no one gave a damn, why would there be thousands of roadtests, internet comparisons and more tests between models?

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Re: An Interesting & Seemingly Objective "Argument" - CRF1000 vs 1090 Adv
« Reply #50 on: December 16, 2017, 07:49:05 pm »
I think I need to give my opinion.
I ride an old bmw 650 dakar, no hassles with bmw as far as after sales service is concerned, even though they know I do not spend but ride.
We bought a honda for the son, great bike, but there is where it stops, after that is a void!
I know Alfie and am sure that between him and Derek Graham, I am guaranteed good after sales service.
I love the AT, but unfortunately Honda drops the ball after you have bought it.
Maybe if I was in Pta or Bloem.
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Re: An Interesting & Seemingly Objective "Argument" - CRF1000 vs 1090 Adv
« Reply #51 on: December 16, 2017, 07:50:29 pm »
Dux, if no one gave a damn, why would there be thousands of roadtests, internet comparisons and more tests between models?

But on a serious note , having in my youth preferred British publications , one day I realised that all that was important to them was getting their knee down in corners , wheelies and stoppies , the Yank magazines concentrated on boring actual real life riding , as I grew older and supposedly more responsible I noticed that the Yank style was actually more relevant , Cycle World in particular .
Around the same time I was also doing road tests for Ride It , Drive Times and IOL , and I noticed that certain bikes which were slated by the British press were actually pretty good bikes , the TL1000S is an example of a good bike which had its sales destroyed because some British journo who couldn't ride very well was killed on one . Rather badmouth the bike than question riding ability , and that however very negatively affected that particular bikes sales . With that in mind I will not badmouth a bike I haven't ridden yet .
The other point is that different bikes are different things to different people , I have ridden bikes that others hated and I loved and vice versa , there is that personal feeling that we have with the bike , bike A might have it and bike B not , personal preferences at the end of the day .
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Re: An Interesting & Seemingly Objective "Argument" - CRF1000 vs 1090 Adv
« Reply #52 on: December 16, 2017, 09:30:38 pm »
Indeed, wise words.
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Re: An Interesting & Seemingly Objective "Argument" - CRF1000 vs 1090 Adv
« Reply #53 on: December 16, 2017, 09:36:02 pm »
Jeez talk about two children having a mud slinging contest  :eek7:

So what I still don't get about how people supposedly decide which is better for them, the so called "off road" capability. I honestly would like to know from the enlightened crowd, what do you term "off road"? Gravel roads? Twee spoor? Surely that can't be called off road. And honestly who here can say he is going to buy a 1000cc behemoth to go ride off road with? Who are you kidding, the cupcake ninjas?

Why I ask is that I can honestly see why you might pick one over the other purely because you like it more or the extra 50hp makes your vagina feel better in the breeze, but then people go as far as trying to justify their decision over someone else's based on such BS as it is a better off road bike when you're talking about a bike that is decidedly not a dirtbike. What is even worse then is that these supposed reasons why one is better than the other is then passed on when people ask for advice.

Choose the bike based on what you are going to do with it.
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Re: An Interesting & Seemingly Objective "Argument" - CRF1000 vs 1090 Adv
« Reply #54 on: December 16, 2017, 10:00:04 pm »

Choose the bike based on what you are going to do with it.
I agree with you, but my concern is that if it is a close match then I would go for the bike thatvI can ride.
I have had to take a honda to a mutifranchise for back tyre and bmw for a front tyre, not in stock at the agents and my bmw is now used as a commuter as we cannot get the honda to the agents during the week except if we are prepared to pay a huge price to have it collected for service( around 50% of the service cost)
These factors also need to be taken into consideration.
Yes the honda clocks serious mileage, 12 000km service and three instalments paid!
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Re: An Interesting & Seemingly Objective "Argument" - CRF1000 vs 1090 Adv
« Reply #55 on: December 16, 2017, 10:31:14 pm »
Jeez talk about two children having a mud slinging contest  :eek7:

So what I still don't get about how people supposedly decide which is better for them, the so called "off road" capability. I honestly would like to know from the enlightened crowd, what do you term "off road"? Gravel roads? Twee spoor? Surely that can't be called off road. And honestly who here can say he is going to buy a 1000cc behemoth to go ride off road with? Who are you kidding, the cupcake ninjas?

Why I ask is that I can honestly see why you might pick one over the other purely because you like it more or the extra 50hp makes your vagina feel better in the breeze, but then people go as far as trying to justify their decision over someone else's based on such BS as it is a better off road bike when you're talking about a bike that is decidedly not a dirtbike. What is even worse then is that these supposed reasons why one is better than the other is then passed on when people ask for advice.

Choose the bike based on what you are going to do with it.

Unfortunately dishonest marketing like Chris Birch/KTM 1190's have left a lot of people under the impression that these behemoths are, in fact, enduro bikes.
 

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Re: An Interesting & Seemingly Objective "Argument" - CRF1000 vs 1090 Adv
« Reply #56 on: December 16, 2017, 10:44:54 pm »
i pity even Mr Birch if he does the roof on a 1X90!  300's only man!
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Re: An Interesting & Seemingly Objective "Argument" - CRF1000 vs 1090 Adv
« Reply #57 on: December 17, 2017, 06:01:10 am »
Riders like Chris Birch will make just about any bike look good, on just about any terrain.
It would be interesting to see a comparison between the sales figures of the AT and the 1090R ...

To me, the AT seems to be like a Land Cruiser. Many others can do what it does, but not for as long and continuous as it does it, without needing some care.
 

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Re: An Interesting & Seemingly Objective "Argument" - CRF1000 vs 1090 Adv
« Reply #58 on: December 17, 2017, 06:25:46 am »
I'm just here for the popcorn   :happy1:

They're both bloody awesome bikes and in the hands of a super talented Wilddog should be able to get the rider all the way to Oasis for a plate of spare ribs  :thumleft:
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Re: An Interesting & Seemingly Objective "Argument" - CRF1000 vs 1090 Adv
« Reply #59 on: December 17, 2017, 07:46:48 am »
I'm just here for the popcorn   :happy1:

They're both bloody awesome bikes and in the hands of a super talented Wilddog should be able to get the rider all the way to Oasis for a plate of spare ribs  :thumleft:

It's coming back that dodgy, the KTM might be on a trailer. :peepwall: