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Re: Why to ride Small bike on a long Adventure trip
« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2018, 11:09:01 am »


Quote from: jaybiker on Today at 09:57:13 am


>Quote from: dirt rat on Today at 06:29:42 am>..... that's fine on either bike apart from one thing. The bloody X Challenge seat! :o

Since I can't afford a nice aftermarket replacement, I'm considering some padded cycling pants for a bit of relief. Anyone with experience or advice on that?

Yes: I ride a 450 'Adventure Lite' bike, and it has a harder seat than the X Challenge, I ride with padded cycling shorts, no underpants, and it works a treat, and then the padded cycling shorts double up as swimming cozzie/bathers when coming accross a dam or stream, etc.
Cycling shorts for the win!
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Re: Why to ride Small bike on a long Adventure trip
« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2018, 12:03:24 pm »
So I will be able to give some feedback on this matter soon. Just sold my 1200 GS and bought a new Husky 701. Picking up the bike on Tuesday...

Cannot afford both, so had to make a choice. You only live once, so I am willing to try different things. Can always buy a big bike again when the kids are grown up and my wife wants to ride along again. For now, it is hooligan time  :ricky:
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Re: Why to ride Small bike on a long Adventure trip
« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2018, 01:42:16 pm »
Horses for courses really......

Depends what terrain, what kind of riding, how competent you are as a rider, pillion, camping vs B&B, personal preferrence, budget and a gazillion more other factors.

There are too many variables to make a generalized recommendation about what's better. Question should be asked and answered on a case by case basis.

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Re: Why to ride Small bike on a long Adventure trip
« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2018, 06:54:27 pm »
So I will be able to give some feedback on this matter soon. Just sold my 1200 GS and bought a new Husky 701. Picking up the bike on Tuesday...

Cannot afford both, so had to make a choice. You only live once, so I am willing to try different things. Can always buy a big bike again when the kids are grown up and my wife wants to ride along again. For now, it is hooligan time  :ricky:

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We are much too polite to talk about light versus heavy riders ...

Recently a man who weighs 120kg, and who can bench press a Toyota bakkie, was recommending a 250kg bike to a short chap of 66kg.  Come on, guys!
I also find it funny that sometimes lekker overweight gents has long discussions and arguments about a bike weight.  :biggrin:
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Re: Why to ride Small bike on a long Adventure trip
« Reply #24 on: March 30, 2018, 05:47:10 am »


Quote from: jaybiker on Today at 09:57:13 am


>Quote from: dirt rat on Today at 06:29:42 am>..... that's fine on either bike apart from one thing. The bloody X Challenge seat! :o

Since I can't afford a nice aftermarket replacement, I'm considering some padded cycling pants for a bit of relief. Anyone with experience or advice on that?

Yes: I ride a 450 'Adventure Lite' bike, and it has a harder seat than the X Challenge, I ride with padded cycling shorts, no underpants, and it works a treat, and then the padded cycling shorts double up as swimming cozzie/bathers when coming accross a dam or stream, etc.
Cycling shorts for the win!
Chris


As you say, cycling shorts, no underpants. It works a treat.....it does feel like you're wearing a nappy though.

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Re: Why to ride Small bike on a long Adventure trip
« Reply #25 on: March 30, 2018, 07:15:04 am »
Might as well get used to that now, 'cos at my age, well.....
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Re: Why to ride Small bike on a long Adventure trip
« Reply #26 on: March 30, 2018, 07:55:14 am »
Everything is relative but a 660 or 700 is not really a small bike.
Small bike for me is around 250cc and if you consider a long adventure trip to be the kind of riding and roads deepest darkest Africa will dish up, the main advantages of a small bike has not been mentioned.
They are light to man handle eg pick up, drag out of ruts, load in a dug out etc and they are easy to work on and fix.
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However if long adventure trip means you have distance to cover and time is an issue a big bike is a must and you will have to modify your route according to what you ride and how much time you have. Some would argue that takes the adventure out of a trip.
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Re: Why to ride Small bike on a long Adventure trip
« Reply #27 on: March 30, 2018, 09:49:02 am »
I was about to say the same... back in the day a 500 was considered a beast of thing. These days, where a modern 300 makes as much as those old 500s we have ďwhat should I buyĒ threads where everybody recommends 1200s because 800s donít work well when you pillion. It is bloody insane. Same way our bakkies keep on getting bigger, our bikes keep getting bigger. I donít know why.

My 800 is for sale, it is way too big.
 

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Re: Why to ride Small bike on a long Adventure trip
« Reply #28 on: March 31, 2018, 07:35:15 am »
There is no.."why?".....

Just ride whatever you want and can and prefer...


Exactly. Its an adventure on a big bike and another adventure on a small one. Bikes are like women anyways ;D
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Re: Why to ride Small bike on a long Adventure trip
« Reply #29 on: March 31, 2018, 08:41:37 pm »
I was about to say the same... back in the day a 500 was considered a beast of thing. These days, where a modern 300 makes as much as those old 500s we have ďwhat should I buyĒ threads where everybody recommends 1200s because 800s donít work well when you pillion. It is bloody insane. Same way our bakkies keep on getting bigger, our bikes keep getting bigger. I donít know why.

My 800 is for sale, it is way too big.

Very interesting what you say, and it still amazes me how we get used to more and more power.

My 1976 Kawasaki Z1000 made about 80 horsepower, and it was a beast. Today's singles are almost there. :eek7:

The Yamaha XT500 used to be a man's bike, today it would be ridiculed in power-circles with it's 28 hp, 6hp less than the new GS310. :eek7:

But the Yamaha XT won the 1st and 2nd year of Dakar rally, and I do not believe the GS310 could duplicate that. 

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Re: Why to ride Small bike on a long Adventure trip
« Reply #30 on: March 31, 2018, 09:12:00 pm »
My 'slightly upgraded' (bigger fuel tank & Ohlins suspension) BMW HP2 with Holan pannier frames (ultra light) weighed in at a guesstimated 195kg dry (stock @185kg)

For me that was the best allrounder ever, but luckily, I now have a few bikes to choose from. 

Oh yes, and I weigh more than 120kg so technically speaking I'm not allowed to talk bike weights :lol8:

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Re: Why to ride Small bike on a long Adventure trip
« Reply #31 on: March 31, 2018, 09:20:46 pm »
My 'slightly upgraded' (bigger fuel tank & Ohlins suspension) BMW HP2 with Holan pannier frames (ultra light) weighed in at a guesstimated 195kg dry (stock @185kg)

For me that was the best allrounder ever, but luckily, I now have a few bikes to choose from. 

Oh yes, and I weigh more than 120kg so technically speaking I'm not allowed to talk bike weights :lol8:

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Re: Why to ride Small bike on a long Adventure trip
« Reply #32 on: March 31, 2018, 09:57:27 pm »
Oh yes, and I weigh more than 120kg so technically speaking I'm not allowed to talk bike weights :lol8:

Ja.  Bliksem!  I just jumped on the scales and found that I am also disqualified from talking bike weights.

I am also ugly.so no talk on bike looks I assume?   :lol8:
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Re: Why to ride Small bike on a long Adventure trip
« Reply #33 on: April 01, 2018, 07:17:15 am »
There is no.."why?".....

Just ride whatever you want and can and prefer...


Exactly. Its an adventure on a big bike and another adventure on a small one. Bikes are like women anyways ;D

True! You cannot really take a fat woman for a hike up a mountain, can you? 

So I just wonder what sort of adventure you can take a fat women on? They struggle walking along a beach, mud is DEFINITELY out and like I said, technical hiking is a no-no. :eek7:

But they're usually very at home in the kitchen. :snorting:
 

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Re: Why to ride Small bike on a long Adventure trip
« Reply #34 on: April 01, 2018, 11:18:39 am »
There is no.."why?".....

Just ride whatever you want and can and prefer...


Exactly. Its an adventure on a big bike and another adventure on a small one. Bikes are like women anyways ;D

True! You cannot really take a fat woman for a hike up a mountain, can you? 

So I just wonder what sort of adventure you can take a fat women on? They struggle walking along a beach, mud is DEFINITELY out and like I said, technical hiking is a no-no. :eek7:

But they're usually very at home in the kitchen. :snorting:

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Re: Why to ride Small bike on a long Adventure trip
« Reply #35 on: April 01, 2018, 11:34:45 am »
I recently rode with a group in the Tankwa and Cedarberg over 2 days covered about 800km and one rider was on a 250 Rally Honda.
And was quite able to keep pace with the rest all on much larger bikes.
In fact he flew up Ouberg pass more comfortable and assured than most.
And easily kept pace on the long boring gravel from the top of Ouberg to Middelpos.
 
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Re: Why to ride Small bike on a long Adventure trip
« Reply #36 on: April 01, 2018, 12:01:49 pm »
I have been on trips with my 200cc Bushlander where everyone wanted to swop bikes when there was sand or rocks.
True the tar wasn't much fun but it was better than falling over every time there was sand.
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Re: Why to ride Small bike on a long Adventure trip
« Reply #37 on: April 01, 2018, 12:32:40 pm »
Why this discussion ? It has been proven, extensively in this forum, on TV and the internet, that the new 310GS is THE bike to have.......  :pot:  :ricky:  :lol8:
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Re: Why to ride Small bike on a long Adventure trip
« Reply #38 on: April 01, 2018, 12:36:46 pm »
I started adventure riding in the 80's on an MTX200 , great bike , great journey's , over the years the bikes have gotten bigger up to 1000cc , but I can't say that the enjoyment factor has been any bigger , so I have now settled on a 600 as being about right for me , not overly heavy , not overly powerful but handles everything it needs to capably  :thumleft:
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Re: Why to ride Small bike on a long Adventure trip
« Reply #39 on: April 01, 2018, 12:36:52 pm »
Why this discussion ? It has been proven, extensively in this forum, on TV and the internet, that the new 310GS is THE bike to have.......  :pot:  :ricky:  :lol8:

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