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Husqvarna 701 - any good?
« on: April 03, 2018, 10:35:37 am »
At Runner's shop I recently saw a Husky 701, complete with a few very nice accessories.
I'm no Katoom fan but this is a bike I could like - but dunno a thing about it!

Pls tell me about any flaws or potential flaws?

Ditto reliability, what may break and what needs special attention?
Read a little, some valve rocker thing, clutch.... electrically, is it reliable?

What range may be expected with the std tank, and which tank(s) are bets to increase the range?
I know about a 5.5L tank which replaces the std airbox but found them with 2 different airfilters, TwinAir & K&N, the latter definitely not for me.
But, those 'wing'-tanks, expensive btw, do they last if you drop it?

The narrow seat some may have replaced by a more 'tolerant' SeatConcepts one?
If so, how is it?


701-novice here, will appreciate some comments!
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Re: Husqvarna 701 - any good?
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2018, 12:15:02 pm »
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Re: Husqvarna 701 - any good?
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2018, 12:16:20 pm »
The K&N-filtered RADE tank has been REPLACED with the Twin-Air, which is a better system, so they are not old side-by-side; the one REPLACES the other.We stock/supply, for both 701 and 690, as well as 950/990 WITHOUT ABS module fitted.We feel since it does not place weight around the front wheel, and CENTRALIZES the weight, it is a good option, and safe from damage in a fall.(old pic of K&N here, but you get the idea...)Chris & Team
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Re: Husqvarna 701 - any good?
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2018, 05:55:34 pm »
You have a picture there of the Twin Air setup?
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Re: Husqvarna 701 - any good?
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2018, 07:06:52 pm »
Thanks Chris,

that looks like the German setup I saw - with TwinAir filter.

Anyone knows if the gearbox-ration of the 701 is different than the 690, the latter allegedly too close ratios?
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Re: Husqvarna 701 - any good?
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2018, 11:21:24 pm »
I have just got a 2018 701....incredible bike
Fitted rade aux tank, rade screen, seat concept 20mm high seat, Perun rack, cycra hand guards and ast bashplate
It is fantastic in all situations...muddy midlands tracks, gravel highways and on tar
Goes like stink......components and build outstanding.....light as a feather....very little vibration with the new dual balancer motor
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Re: Husqvarna 701 - any good?
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2018, 08:34:50 am »
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Re: Husqvarna 701 - any good?
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2018, 09:05:29 am »
some pics
twin air filter has replaced the k+n setup from rade for the aux tank
am getting 25k's to the litre so that now totals +/- 19 litres = 475km range
the wings exhaust was the first thing I did...the oem zorst was very very hot...
the rade screen includes the tower which allowed me to fix my old touratech gps mount....that thing works well...also brings bikes dash up and into view.....
the seat concepts is just the cover...20mm higher and it makes a huge difference to my disappearing middle aged rump....did a 3 hour stint on the old seat....it was kak...this one no issues
the AST bashplate ordered directly from the maker in france....great service....good price.....8mm plastic and fits perfectly...as tough as nails
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Re: Husqvarna 701 - any good?
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2018, 09:35:35 am »
Crop Sprang,

Congrats!
I'm reading around on the net. It would seem that this bike, quite like the 690, is
- geared high (someone said for environmental reasons, not impossible) however a larger rear sprocket seems to solve that,
- in technical stuff first gear is way too high, so one has to ride the clutch if the going gets slow.
Basically it would seem that this bike hasn't got the 'W'ide-ratio gearbox i.e it is missing a short first gear - is this true?

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Re: Husqvarna 701 - any good?
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2018, 09:44:43 am »
I am reading here with interest as well.

I've realised lately that no matter how I look at it, the XRR's are getting long in the tooth and their maintenance requirements show it.  :'(

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Re: Husqvarna 701 - any good?
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2018, 09:47:26 am »
Hi Burp

thx
to be honest I do not know much about these kinds of things....
i am still getting used to it
did my own slow race on lawn at the weekend though.....trying to remember how to ride after a couple of years out
it seems to be good for me
i did find myself looking for another gear up at times when speeding along.....perhaps that is the thumper motor character
will be watching for more intelligent responses to your question
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Re: Husqvarna 701 - any good?
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2018, 10:14:47 am »
i did find myself looking for another gear up at times when speeding along.....perhaps that is the thumper motor character

This interests me - I have "severe" mechanical sympathy and really don't like the idea of a thumper screaming away at highway speeds.
What kind of speeds were you doing when you started looking for a 7th cog?
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Re: Husqvarna 701 - any good?
« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2018, 10:22:21 am »
probably in the 120-130 region
perhaps just a muscle memory throwback to the days of the 990
learning to go easier in the 'need for speed' category
at 100 it feels a little vibey
at 110 it pretty smooth
at 120 it feels just right
getting past the hyndai's sitting at 120 ish is when the foot looks for the next gear up
but when it's not there just turn the throttle and away we go
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Re: Husqvarna 701 - any good?
« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2018, 10:24:16 am »
Crop Sprang,

Congrats!
I'm reading around on the net. It would seem that this bike, quite like the 690, is
- geared high (someone said for environmental reasons, not impossible) however a larger rear sprocket seems to solve that,
- in technical stuff first gear is way too high, so one has to ride the clutch if the going gets slow.
Basically it would seem that this bike hasn't got the 'W'ide-ratio gearbox i.e it is missing a short first gear - is this true?

The clutch is super soft and feathering with 1 finger is no problem. How much of your riding is so technical to make that even a consideration?
I've got one tooth up on the rear but it doesn't make a massive difference in slow stuff.

i did find myself looking for another gear up at times when speeding along.....perhaps that is the thumper motor character

This interests me - I have "severe" mechanical sympathy and really don't like the idea of a thumper screaming away at highway speeds.
What kind of speeds were you doing when you started looking for a 7th cog?

I've read this so many times. The motor is happy to rev, it's just rider conditioning that's the issue. I've ridden mine at 140-150 for extended periods when I still had the rally kit. Stock form it's too uncomfortable to ride at those speeds for long. Stock gearing it runs into the limiter at 179 GPS and I've had it up to that on tar too. I think with stock gearing it runs at 6000 revs at 140-145 and it will do that all day long.

This is 690 by the way. I think the 701 red lines even higher
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Re: Husqvarna 701 - any good?
« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2018, 10:29:39 am »
That said I also try and do an oil service or two in between scheduled services. I wouldn't ride it like that for 10 000km intervals.
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Re: Husqvarna 701 - any good?
« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2018, 10:44:05 am »
I have 690, but 701 is more or less the same, the main difference being suspension. And on newest 701 different dngine with two balancers.

Yes, the gearbox is close ratio snd takes some time to get used to, especially if you are used to classic thumpers, or twins. But once you get used to it and find the sprockets that suit you, it is non issue. The jey difference with this engine compared to normal thumpers is that it is short stroke engine and hence much happier to rev higher, ehere one usually doesnt want to go on long stroke dngine. I have a lot of mech sympathy, but have no problem reving 690 higher than usual, as it feels perfectly at home there.

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Re: Husqvarna 701 - any good?
« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2018, 03:00:15 pm »
The clutch is super soft and feathering with 1 finger is no problem.

I never meant any clutch-clumsiness, I have a problem using the clutch to reduce speed on a powerful bike, and this is one: it'll wear quick or may burn, not for me. A 2stroke is rather different here, no problem.

How much of your riding is so technical to make that even a consideration?

No idea, but when one wants/needs to do it then such must be possible - and if it's not then that IS a consideration!
And, as 'travelling' is my main aim, i.e tar also, then dropping the gearing a lot ain't an option either.
If it is true that the new 2018 still has a close-ratio gearbox then that's a dealbreaker for me - and Kortbroek, this is the same for our XR650R, never mind that that's only a 5-speed, the first is too long.
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Re: Husqvarna 701 - any good?
« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2018, 03:05:31 pm »
did my own slow race on lawn at the weekend

Excellent CS, so, in first at idle, is the speed a slow pedestrian pace or is that a bit/a lot quicker?
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Re: Husqvarna 701 - any good?
« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2018, 03:28:32 pm »
First gear is long but certainly not prohibitively so. I have 3 sets of front sprockets for my 690 and swop them out depending on what I'm doing with the bike.

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Re: Husqvarna 701 - any good?
« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2018, 05:14:46 pm »
I have just gone one tooth down in the front to make tricky stuff slightly easier.  I don't bother to change it for longer trips but on long trips I travel quite slowly when I am on my own (100-105).  But if everyone else tootles along at 140-ish then it is no issue either and I have the 2016.  The 2017-18 has another 1000 RPM on top of it.

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