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Help me source this air filter
« on: May 17, 2018, 08:22:39 am »
Hi guys

I need to get a new air filter for my Tornado. Unfortunately Startline does not stock it and Honda requires the princely amount of 560 randellas for a new genuine part. I can get it from China at $14.5, but shipping is another $27...

I had a look at the XR125L filter, but it is 15mm shorter than the Tornado filter.

So next plan is to source a filter from elsewhere that has the same dimensions and would appreciate some help or pointers as to where to check.

I will add a few photos below to give an indication of size.

EDIT for more info:

Filter is square 135mm x 135mm
Honda part number: 17211-kpe-900
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Re: Help me source this air filter
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2018, 08:31:20 am »
Looks like BMW F800GS
 

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Re: Help me source this air filter
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2018, 08:47:06 am »
I changed my filter to a uni filter.
there must be a place like SpeedyQuip where you are
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Re: Help me source this air filter
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2018, 08:54:19 am »
Looks like BMW F800GS

Almost, but the Tornado filter is square

I changed my filter to a uni filter.
there must be a place like SpeedyQuip where you are

When you had a Tornado (I seem to recall you had one) or on your current bike?
 

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Re: Help me source this air filter
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2018, 09:03:26 am »
Looks like BMW F800GS

Almost, but the Tornado filter is square

I changed my filter to a uni filter.
there must be a place like SpeedyQuip where you are

When you had a Tornado (I seem to recall you had one) or on your current bike?

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Re: Help me source this air filter
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2018, 09:53:14 am »
That is a HiFlo air filter.

My Dakar had a HiFlo filter same paper same orangey colour rubber - so you'll need to check the HiFlo catalog

http://www.hiflofiltro.com/catalogue
 

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Re: Help me source this air filter
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2018, 09:58:12 am »
I changed my filter to a uni filter.
there must be a place like SpeedyQuip where you are

MotoRad Rivonia are the Uni Filter agents.
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Re: Help me source this air filter
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2018, 10:11:11 am »
My problem is that I need to search for a replacement by size or something.

The Honda part number is 17211-kpe-900, but looking on sites like Partzilla, it basically says there is nothing like it.
 

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Re: Help me source this air filter
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2018, 10:17:26 am »
HiFlo make replacemenst for most bike air and oil filters, you just need to get to a clued up agent.
 

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Re: Help me source this air filter
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2018, 12:03:52 pm »
That is a HiFlo air filter.

My Dakar had a HiFlo filter same paper same orangey colour rubber - so you'll need to check the HiFlo catalog

http://www.hiflofiltro.com/catalogue

Hiflo doesn't have an air filter for the Tornado.  Most manufacturers use the orange foam .  Even OEM BMW filter are that colour.
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Re: Help me source this air filter
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2018, 12:30:07 pm »
That is a HiFlo air filter.

My Dakar had a HiFlo filter same paper same orangey colour rubber - so you'll need to check the HiFlo catalog

http://www.hiflofiltro.com/catalogue

Hiflo doesn't have an air filter for the Tornado.  Most manufacturers use the orange foam .  Even OEM BMW filter are that colour.

Yes that is why I believe BMW filters are just HiFlo filters.

The HiFlo filter was blue and the BMW filter was blue for my Dakar.

Then HiFlo changed to orange and a while later the BMW filter also changed to orange  :-\
 

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Re: Help me source this air filter
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2018, 12:40:56 pm »
My problem with bikes like these are that for that filter from Honda was something like R750
That is just against the cheap to maintain and run concept for these bikes. Its a principle thing.

What we did, my son and I we took some normal foam from an upholterer place, made a frame that would hold the foam between the airbox and frame.
We sprayed filter oil on and went and tested the set up.

To my surprice it worked better at keeping the airbox clean than the OEM filter ever did.

This mod was also done to my G650 xchallenge and the same result. Before this i fitter a foam pipercross fil;ter to my 800 and this is what gave me the idea.

Cleanable, workable and sustainable solution.

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Re: Help me source this air filter
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2018, 12:51:32 pm »
Get something like a Unifilter that you can re-use, those paper jobs are rubbish anyways... ;)
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Re: Help me source this air filter
« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2018, 12:52:06 pm »
My problem with bikes like these are that for that filter from Honda was something like R750
That is just against the cheap to maintain and run concept for these bikes. Its a principle thing.

What we did, my son and I we took some normal foam from an upholterer place, made a frame that would hold the foam between the airbox and frame.
We sprayed filter oil on and went and tested the set up.

To my surprice it worked better at keeping the airbox clean than the OEM filter ever did.

This mod was also done to my G650 xchallenge and the same result. Before this i fitter a foam pipercross fil;ter to my 800 and this is what gave me the idea.

Cleanable, workable and sustainable solution.

Thanks Malmoer. That is actually also one of my plans, but would like to get a replacement before I try it
 

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Re: Help me source this air filter
« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2018, 12:53:30 pm »
So found out a part number for a Mann filter, but where would I get this filter if I have the part number?
 

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Re: Help me source this air filter
« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2018, 01:28:09 pm »
So found out a part number for a Mann filter, but where would I get this filter if I have the part number?

There is a Mann + Hummel in Boksburg. Maybe they can direct you? https://www.mann-hummel.com/en/the-company/locations/

Does Autozone not sell Mann filters?
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Re: Help me source this air filter
« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2018, 01:34:25 pm »
Just remember that Honda, like BMW and Yamaha and Suzuki and whoever don't make air filters, just like they don't make spark plugs and brake pads etc, etc.

All the service items are manufactured by companies specializing in these items.  Yes, at times they are made under license and are brand specific (like an NGK KR9CI spark plug is made specifically for BMW and obtain\able only from them) the majority of these components can be purchased elsewhere.

For MANN filters, try the Bosch agents.
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Re: Help me source this air filter
« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2018, 08:56:45 am »
I have come to the conclusion that the Tornado filter is only available at Honda in South Africa. The part numbers I could find for it only list the Tornado as possible application and only available in Brazil (where the Tornado was manufactured).

Next step is a custom sponge filter in a steel frame or something along those lines.
 

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Re: Help me source this air filter
« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2018, 11:32:32 am »
Bugger the steel cage idea. My welding sucks and steel would just add weight or screw up the inside of my air box.

Plan B:
I can have this cage 3D printed and then use foam tape or similar to recreate the rubber part of the original filter. Then cut air filter sponge slightly oversized and insert into the cage.

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Re: Help me source this air filter
« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2018, 11:38:00 am »
Dimensions added