Author Topic: Honda CRF450L is coming (Read 63512 times)

ZK1 · « **Reply #40 on:** May 24, 2018, 08:30:45 am »

Yes I also think R130k +

If you look what MX bikes cost these days.

I bought my KX250R For I think it was R42000.00 new in 2007, and a mate of mine around R60 000.00 for his KX450R in 2008 so in 10 years MX bikes have almost doubled in price......crazy....

I am going to be bikeless for a while still.....but when I do I won't be able to buy new, maybe rather a second hand 690 or 701 that will be 10 years old by the time it comes into my budget.....but my business WILL boom in the next 2 years then I will buy 5 new ones.

Cracker · « **Reply #41 on:** May 24, 2018, 08:32:59 am »

I see a sub-frame that will carry zero luggage on the L. A cush -sprocket is lekker, until you gotta replace.

Not sure about slabbing it with this type of bike but if you use a trailer to get close to your riding areas, like I did back in the KLR days, it'll work.

But for a few negatives, I think it's a great idea.

teebag · « **Reply #42 on:** May 24, 2018, 08:40:10 am »

32k rebuild 1k oil changes

Bwana · « **Reply #43 on:** May 24, 2018, 08:46:20 am »

Never - if you look at the USD price it will be at least 120-130K+ and will need to compete with the KTM 500XCW at about 120K

Lets face it Honda need all the help they can get in the Adventure market They have nothing in the mid and lower CC sector. They have already taken a 250 farm bike and pimped and tummy tucked it to be a faux mini 'rally bike' with an overinflated price. . This is the same strategy. The 450 is really an MX competition bike that has also been recycled, hyped and tummy tucked and facelifted to plug a market gap. Not to say they will not sell and do the job of an adventure light bike as some people desperately want a lighter adventure bike (ask BMW ) Yes the 6 speed will be nice as will decent suspension (49mm forks)˜- seat and ergos will be hard, will need better fuel range, engine will remain vibey even if they try and tame it with the mapping .
It is what it is - but not sure it is the game changer some think. But yes the Honda fanboys will come out and get excited.

The Honda Branches ie Honda SA :drif:operate on what they call the Honda Dollar which is basically an average exchange rate across all currencies, This generally works in our favor so you can not take US or UK rates and just convert. It also depends on which of there many factories they decide to Manufacture the bike. I would say Honda is now doing well in ADV market if you look at world wide sales of AT and CRF250l and R. They certainly dont look at SA as a Market they must aim for with the Mickey mouse sales we do here. If I read right the suspension same as the 450X everyone educated Knows how good that is. 131kgs full up that is pretty much a game changer with Honda reliability. I am dying to know the HP my guess around 40.

YoungGSer · « **Reply #44 on:** May 24, 2018, 08:56:28 am »

Don’t base bike prices on SA on what the exchange rate is. Fortunately in SA bikes are cheaper than most other countries. A fully loaded GSA in the UK will cost you well over R300k as an example. A KTM500 is about R145k.

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BiG DoM · « **Reply #45 on:** May 24, 2018, 08:59:48 am »

Around 40HP would be about in line with the other engine iterations - mapping adjustments will tame it a bit. When I said 120-130K I was not doing a straight conversion which would take it to the R140K mark - rather looking at where they could afford to peg it. Yes the SA market is minuscule in the bigger picture and this bike and hype is aimed squarely at the USA market. And yes the suspension is off the X but plushed out it seems - at least it does not have 43mm sprongs like the AT

Don't get me wrong it should be a useful weapon.

Mapog · « **Reply #46 on:** May 24, 2018, 09:08:07 am »

Only reason to buy this over a normal X is because the more reliable engine........
The big question is, would it be more reliable?

Bwana · « **Reply #47 on:** May 24, 2018, 09:10:32 am »

With CRF450X pushing out 60HP I think 40HP is very conservative if you do a straight conversion of HP per cc using the CRF250L you come out at 42HP. This could be as much as 50HP.
I hope so.

Operator · « **Reply #48 on:** May 24, 2018, 09:31:11 am »

If this thing is going to have a weight of more than 150kg and horsepower of less than 45 hp and selling for more than R130 000, there would
be really no incentive to buy this bike apart from being a (blindly) follower of everything Honda.

For the same kind of money you can buy a KTM690/Husqvarna701 , with a weight of less than 150kg, engine of 67 hp and
selling just above R130 000 currently.

I know which one I would choose.

BiG DoM · « **Reply #49 on:** May 24, 2018, 09:37:45 am »

Quote from: Bwana on May 24, 2018, 09:10:32 am

With CRF450X pushing out 60HP I think 40HP is very conservative if you do a straight conversion of HP per cc using the CRF250L you come out at 42HP. This could be as much as 50HP.
I hope so.

Not sure about the 60HP - I thought it was about 45HP?

Bwana · « **Reply #50 on:** May 24, 2018, 09:38:11 am »

The wet weight is 131KGS using The KTM system which is dry weights means dry weight around 120Kilos. This is going to be a proper weapon. My educated Guess on Price about 110K
coming from experience ex Honda Dealer.

BiG DoM · « **Reply #51 on:** May 24, 2018, 09:38:56 am »

Quote from: Operator on May 24, 2018, 09:31:11 am

If this thing is going to have a weight of more than 150kg and horsepower of less than 45 hp and selling for more than R130 000, there would
be really no incentive to buy this bike apart from being a (blindly) follower of everything Honda.

For the same kind of money you can buy a KTM690/Husqvarna701 , with a weight of less than 150kg, engine of 67 hp and
selling just above R130 000 currently.

I know which one I would choose.

No ways it will be 150kg

Operator · « **Reply #52 on:** May 24, 2018, 09:41:36 am »

Quote from: BiG DoM on May 24, 2018, 09:38:56 am

Quote from: Operator on May 24, 2018, 09:31:11 am
If this thing is going to have a weight of more than 150kg and horsepower of less than 45 hp and selling for more than R130 000, there would
be really no incentive to buy this bike apart from being a (blindly) follower of everything Honda.

For the same kind of money you can buy a KTM690/Husqvarna701 , with a weight of less than 150kg, engine of 67 hp and
selling just above R130 000 currently.

I know which one I would choose.

No ways it will be 150kg

To amend it into Rally guise for being proper dualsport/adventure bike, it might just end up being 150 kg+

BiG DoM · « **Reply #53 on:** May 24, 2018, 09:47:23 am »

Quote from: Operator on May 24, 2018, 09:41:36 am

Quote from: BiG DoM on May 24, 2018, 09:38:56 am
Quote from: Operator on May 24, 2018, 09:31:11 am
If this thing is going to have a weight of more than 150kg and horsepower of less than 45 hp and selling for more than R130 000, there would
be really no incentive to buy this bike apart from being a (blindly) follower of everything Honda.

For the same kind of money you can buy a KTM690/Husqvarna701 , with a weight of less than 150kg, engine of 67 hp and
selling just above R130 000 currently.

I know which one I would choose.

No ways it will be 150kg

To amend it into Rally guise for being proper dualsport/adventure bike, it might just end up being 150 kg+

Ja guess it would creep up with larger tank etc ... the 250 Rally is 145kg wet!

Bwana · « **Reply #54 on:** May 24, 2018, 09:48:00 am »

Its on the Web Prokevin site 2018 450x Model 59.9HP however it would probably be advisable to wait till Honda releases them.

Bwana · « **Reply #55 on:** May 24, 2018, 09:50:51 am »

Quote from: BiG DoM on Today at 09:38:56 am
Quote from: Operator on Today at 09:31:11 am
If this thing is going to have a weight of more than 150kg and horsepower of less than 45 hp and selling for more than R130 000, there would
be really no incentive to buy this bike apart from being a (blindly) follower of everything Honda.

For the same kind of money you can buy a KTM690/Husqvarna701 , with a weight of less than 150kg, engine of 67 hp and
selling just above R130 000 currently.

I know which one I would choose.

No ways it will be 150kg

To amend it into Rally guise for being proper dualsport/adventure bike, it might just end up being 150 kg+

The CRF250L is 144KGS wet the Rally 157KGS wet my Guess using these figures the Current 450L 131KGS wet it will easily come in under 150KGS.

edgy · « **Reply #56 on:** May 24, 2018, 10:12:21 am »

I dont see a helluva advantage to what I already have which all in cost about 35k, with reg docs etc??

BiG DoM · « **Reply #57 on:** May 24, 2018, 10:12:58 am »

There you go!

Sláinte Mhaith · « **Reply #58 on:** May 24, 2018, 10:13:23 am »

The bike also features a bigger titanium fuel tank with capacity of 7.6 litres. Honda says that the bike gets a new radiator along with a strong lithium-ion battery and an AC generator which supplies the LED lights on the bike with power. And you have standard stuff such as a stand, horn, rear-view mirrors and speedometer along with the LED tail lights which take the weight of the bike to a mere 131 kg. kerb weight

https://auto.ndtv.com/news/2019-honda-crf450l-revealed-not-coming-to-india-1856841

https://www.dirtaction.com.au/news/33032/33032.htm

edgy · « **Reply #59 on:** May 24, 2018, 10:14:38 am »

Mine has a much bigger tank and I dont ride at night!