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Re: Honda CRF450L is coming
« Reply #980 on: February 10, 2019, 09:32:07 am »
No doubt the 500 class are the ultimate adventure steeds but never likely to be that mainstream .

On the plus side they allow less skilled riders to visit places they wouldn’t be able to get to on bigger bikes.’

The negative is they get unpleasant on long easy roads and unless you’re willing to trailer there will always be long boring roads.

And I don’t always want to do long epic (Kaokoland type ) trips. Sometimes just loading my bike and heading out for a weekend in the Hel or Baviaanskloof or Tankwa etc. The kak 200/300 km tar home on a 500 will wipe the pleasure of the cool riding I did out of my memory.

+1 ...and after hundreds and hundreds of pages about adventurising this and that the 690/701 and maybe the PR7 are still the ultimate adventure/DS bike out there! ;)
 
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Re: Honda CRF450L is coming
« Reply #981 on: February 10, 2019, 10:29:49 am »
No doubt the 500 class are the ultimate adventure steeds but never likely to be that mainstream .

On the plus side they allow less skilled riders to visit places they wouldn’t be able to get to on bigger bikes.’

The negative is they get unpleasant on long easy roads and unless you’re willing to trailer there will always be long boring roads.

And I don’t always want to do long epic (Kaokoland type ) trips. Sometimes just loading my bike and heading out for a weekend in the Hel or Baviaanskloof or Tankwa etc. The kak 200/300 km tar home on a 500 will wipe the pleasure of the cool riding I did out of my memory.
I dont think any single will be fun on a tar stretch, the 690/701 will only be slighly better on tar and sub par against the 500 offroad. The PR7 for what you get stock as pretty close to the ultimate allrounder but it will never be mainstream in SA
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Re: Honda CRF450L is coming
« Reply #982 on: February 12, 2019, 09:14:51 am »
nice review on the 450L here by dave from Adventure spec that did 4000Km on one

https://www.facebook.com/adventurespec/videos/850350538473410/
 

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Re: Honda CRF450L is coming
« Reply #983 on: February 12, 2019, 10:37:57 am »
nice review on the 450L here by dave from Adventure spec that did 4000Km on one

https://www.facebook.com/adventurespec/videos/850350538473410/

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Re: Honda CRF450L is coming
« Reply #984 on: February 12, 2019, 10:54:46 am »


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Re: Honda CRF450L is coming
« Reply #985 on: February 12, 2019, 11:02:54 am »
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Re: Honda CRF450L is coming
« Reply #986 on: February 12, 2019, 12:02:19 pm »
No doubt the 500 class are the ultimate adventure steeds but never likely to be that mainstream .

On the plus side they allow less skilled riders to visit places they wouldn’t be able to get to on bigger bikes.
The negative is they get unpleasant on long easy roads and unless you’re willing to trailer there will always be long boring roads.

And I don’t always want to do long epic (Kaokoland type ) trips. Sometimes just loading my bike and heading out for a weekend in the Hel or Baviaanskloof or Tankwa etc. The kak 200/300 km tar home on a 500 will wipe the pleasure of the cool riding I did out of my memory.

Or skilled riders to do more...

I am not in full agreement that the 690/701 can not do what the 500/501 can do in a trip application, recognising the fact that yes, you can do ROA with the 500 class, but sure as shit you won't do ROA with luggage.
IMHO, the minute you slap luggage onto it, the diff is the minimal, the handling and ability is compromised regardless, and the 690/701 comes out tops as it has better luggage capability in terms of space and subframe, and a bit more power to handle it.

From riding the CRF, in its standard form, it will definitely suit the less experianced rider better than any of the 500 - 701 offerings due to the power being more mellow.

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Re: Honda CRF450L is coming
« Reply #987 on: February 12, 2019, 02:00:56 pm »
No doubt the 500 class are the ultimate adventure steeds but never likely to be that mainstream .

On the plus side they allow less skilled riders to visit places they wouldn’t be able to get to on bigger bikes.’

The negative is they get unpleasant on long easy roads and unless you’re willing to trailer there will always be long boring roads.

And I don’t always want to do long epic (Kaokoland type ) trips. Sometimes just loading my bike and heading out for a weekend in the Hel or Baviaanskloof or Tankwa etc. The kak 200/300 km tar home on a 500 will wipe the pleasure of the cool riding I did out of my memory.
I dont think any single will be fun on a tar stretch, the 690/701 will only be slighly better on tar and sub par against the 500 offroad. The PR7 for what you get stock as pretty close to the ultimate allrounder but it will never be mainstream in SA

Having ridden a 450, not sure about the 500 yet but the 690/701 are TONS better on the road than any of the 450's I've RIDDEN not to mention 10 000km oil and valve checks vs the 1000 odd you would need to do on the 450-500's.
600km tar stretch is relatively easily doable on a stock 690. Not sure how you would feel on a 450/500 after that and then you have about 400km left before oil changes etc needs to happen.

Not dissing the Honda, just commeting on your post regarding the road manners.
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Re: Honda CRF450L is coming
« Reply #988 on: February 13, 2019, 07:57:10 am »
Nice honest review after reviewer did long trip to Morroco

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMEzyDpZHGU
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Re: Honda CRF450L is coming
« Reply #989 on: February 14, 2019, 08:54:38 am »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMEzyDpZHGU

Watched it, and it echo's some of the assumptions I made regarding longer trips based on a very short test ride..

From riding the CRF, in its standard form, it will definitely suit the less experianced rider better than any of the 500 - 701 offerings due to the power being more mellow.

It definately is very quite, on-road speed is definately fast enough to be comfortable, and what the guy said - the bike "looks" after you, and that to me is importent.
It won't ever be my only bike, but I will definately find a place for it, and most likely will be the bike I spend the most time on, whether it is local commuting, going through to Atlantis on a Sunday morning for some trail riding with mates etc. etc.
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Re: Honda CRF450L is coming
« Reply #990 on: February 14, 2019, 11:13:53 am »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMEzyDpZHGU

Watched it, and it echo's some of the assumptions I made regarding longer trips based on a very short test ride..

From riding the CRF, in its standard form, it will definitely suit the less experianced rider better than any of the 500 - 701 offerings due to the power being more mellow.

It definately is very quite, on-road speed is definately fast enough to be comfortable, and what the guy said - the bike "looks" after you, and that to me is importent.
It won't ever be my only bike, but I will definately find a place for it, and most likely will be the bike I spend the most time on, whether it is local commuting, going through to Atlantis on a Sunday morning for some trail riding with mates etc. etc.

The "quite" is a big thing for me! Especially when riding in nature areas and private farmland. That's pretty much all the time. Noisy bikes is a big no no for land owners..
 

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Re: Honda CRF450L is coming
« Reply #991 on: February 14, 2019, 11:26:13 am »
I'm actually quite surprised all the testers say that 24HP is just fine, for how long have 250's been making that and the first thing anyone would say is "oh it's nice but under powered"   :eek7: Yes the 450 has better to weight ration than say a CRF250L and suspension but I still find it hard to convince anyone that it's better to spend 125k on a 450 with 24HP than say a CRF250L for 40 also with 24HP and ten times the service intervals. If I buy a 450 I would want more power than that for sure. Dave Lomax (sp) did elude to the fact that an extra 5HP or so at least would have been nice to have.
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Re: Honda CRF450L is coming
« Reply #992 on: February 14, 2019, 02:08:33 pm »
I'm actually quite surprised all the testers say that 24HP is just fine, for how long have 250's been making that and the first thing anyone would say is "oh it's nice but under powered"   :eek7: Yes the 450 has better to weight ration than say a CRF250L and suspension but I still find it hard to convince anyone that it's better to spend 125k on a 450 with 24HP than say a CRF250L for 40 also with 24HP and ten times the service intervals. If I buy a 450 I would want more power than that for sure. Dave Lomax (sp) did elude to the fact that an extra 5HP or so at least would have been nice to have.

Racing 250 (I think) makes that power, the rest less (?) ...never had a 250 4T.
The extra 5 hp, maybe more, will come the minute the first power commander is released.
The feeling of being underpowered is exacerbated by the fact that the bike is so quiet.

I rode Fuzzy's CR250X once or twice, and the 450 is slightly more according to the dyno, but in real life it feels quite a bit more, till you go past 80km/h, then it feels like a lot more.
Stability compared to a 250 is another aspect, there is hardly a twitch, on or off road.

The one aspect that I haven't dwelt on is the cost of purchase, but in matters of the heart? ...dude  8)

@Fransw, I share your sentiment, and the areas where quiet is necessary, normally a lot of speed and spinning around is also not good.
Like the chap in the video says, it is very good at trail riding, I wouldn't mind using it as such, I'm convinced that it would do it well.
It is a "lekka" bike.

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Re: Honda CRF450L is coming
« Reply #993 on: February 14, 2019, 02:49:53 pm »
I'm actually quite surprised all the testers say that 24HP is just fine, for how long have 250's been making that and the first thing anyone would say is "oh it's nice but under powered"   :eek7: Yes the 450 has better to weight ration than say a CRF250L and suspension but I still find it hard to convince anyone that it's better to spend 125k on a 450 with 24HP than say a CRF250L for 40 also with 24HP and ten times the service intervals. If I buy a 450 I would want more power than that for sure. Dave Lomax (sp) did elude to the fact that an extra 5HP or so at least would have been nice to have.

Racing 250 (I think) makes that power, the rest less (?) ...never had a 250 4T.
The extra 5 hp, maybe more, will come the minute the first power commander is released.
The feeling of being underpowered is exacerbated by the fact that the bike is so quiet.

I rode Fuzzy's CR250X once or twice, and the 450 is slightly more according to the dyno, but in real life it feels quite a bit more, till you go past 80km/h, then it feels like a lot more.
Stability compared to a 250 is another aspect, there is hardly a twitch, on or off road.

The one aspect that I haven't dwelt on is the cost of purchase, but in matters of the heart? ...dude  8)

@Fransw, I share your sentiment, and the areas where quiet is necessary, normally a lot of speed and spinning around is also not good.
Like the chap in the video says, it is very good at trail riding, I wouldn't mind using it as such, I'm convinced that it would do it well.
It is a "lekka" bike.

My 250F makes over 40HP and they can get over 49HP out of the racing YZ250Fs. A stock SX250F is 44HP
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Re: Honda CRF450L is coming
« Reply #994 on: February 14, 2019, 02:58:32 pm »
I'm actually quite surprised all the testers say that 24HP is just fine, for how long have 250's been making that and the first thing anyone would say is "oh it's nice but under powered"   :eek7: Yes the 450 has better to weight ration than say a CRF250L and suspension but I still find it hard to convince anyone that it's better to spend 125k on a 450 with 24HP than say a CRF250L for 40 also with 24HP and ten times the service intervals. If I buy a 450 I would want more power than that for sure. Dave Lomax (sp) did elude to the fact that an extra 5HP or so at least would have been nice to have.

Racing 250 (I think) makes that power, the rest less (?) ...never had a 250 4T.
The extra 5 hp, maybe more, will come the minute the first power commander is released.
The feeling of being underpowered is exacerbated by the fact that the bike is so quiet.

I rode Fuzzy's CR250X once or twice, and the 450 is slightly more according to the dyno, but in real life it feels quite a bit more, till you go past 80km/h, then it feels like a lot more.
Stability compared to a 250 is another aspect, there is hardly a twitch, on or off road.

The one aspect that I haven't dwelt on is the cost of purchase, but in matters of the heart? ...dude  8)

@Fransw, I share your sentiment, and the areas where quiet is necessary, normally a lot of speed and spinning around is also not good.
Like the chap in the video says, it is very good at trail riding, I wouldn't mind using it as such, I'm convinced that it would do it well.
It is a "lekka" bike.

My 250F makes over 40HP and they can get over 49HP out of the racing YZ250Fs. A stock SX250F is 44HP

This is the reason I've never understood the facination with the 450's. I mean the 250s already make more power than most can handle in the tight stuff.
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Re: Honda CRF450L is coming
« Reply #995 on: February 14, 2019, 03:27:24 pm »
How much torque does those 250's have compared to a 450? And how hard are you wringing them to get that power?

The 450L with the american spec sounds good. 45hp should likely give you decent service intervals meant to say reliability. The 25hp we're getting is only because of the euro emissions requirements and nothing to do with the motor design so saying they should rather go 250 route is stupid. Try and get a 40hp 250 road legal? Won't happen, emissions crap will likely see it have <20hp
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Re: Honda CRF450L is coming
« Reply #996 on: February 14, 2019, 05:24:48 pm »
It's all about torque. Put a fatty with his saddle bags on a 250 and a 450 and tell him to go ride up a hill. I'd be putting my money on the 450 to feel way better, regardless of the power.
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Re: Honda CRF450L is coming
« Reply #997 on: February 14, 2019, 07:24:05 pm »
So, is it decided. DRZ400 with long service intervals is the business?

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Re: Honda CRF450L is coming
« Reply #998 on: February 14, 2019, 07:39:37 pm »
WHen will these bikes be in RSA?
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« Reply #999 on: February 14, 2019, 07:45:54 pm »
WHen will these bikes be in RSA?

Already available @ R125k