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Skippers ticket requirements
« on: May 29, 2018, 06:53:22 pm »
Hi sailing dogs.

Can one of you please shed some light on the skippers ticket requirements. From what I can gather if the sailing boat is smaller than 9 meters I can sail it without a skippers/COC even on the ocean? The day skippers is only required of the boat exceeds 9 meters?

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Re: Skippers ticket requirements
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2018, 09:45:13 pm »
Pm skipskop im sure he could advise you
 

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« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2018, 10:12:46 pm »
Nope, not allowed to skip any vessel in the ocean without a license no matter the size. I don't recall what the code of the license I have is but it was easy and allows me up to 5km out on any vessel, only a day course.
 

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Re: Skippers ticket requirements
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2018, 12:42:35 am »
You require a licence for a boat over 9 meters  or have a motor over 15hp.  See the statement on the SAS website.

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Re: Skippers ticket requirements
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2018, 06:12:47 am »
Hi sailing dogs.

Can one of you please shed some light on the skippers ticket requirements. From what I can gather if the sailing boat is smaller than 9 meters I can sail it without a skippers/COC even on the ocean? The day skippers is only required of the boat exceeds 9 meters?

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Hello Carl
No skippers ticket is needed to sail  a sailboat under 9m with an engine less than 15 hp at sea.
No qualification or course needed.
When you have your boat inspected for its COF (certificate of fitness )  you will get a certificate which is like a license
allowing your boat to sail in one of the categories. Depending on equipment etc. You can look up the different categories ,as
1ougat stated ,on the SAS site.
The rules even exempt under 9m from having a COF but this is to crazy for me. Get a COF even if it is just to ensure you have the basic safety equipment on board.  Do all you can to ensure your boat is seaworthy. Sail conservatively well within your experience and capabilities. Baby steps. Take a keen interest and learn as much as you can about the weather.
For me as a beginner sailor myself I find sailing tough with lots of hardships. I enjoy it very much. But have experienced very little of the comfortable sipping drinks on deck watching fantastic sunsets.
Be aware that some clubs and harbourmasters might require stricter rules from you and your under 9m boat.
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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2018, 06:16:30 am »
What about taking a kayak to sea? Any certification required?
 

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Re: Skippers ticket requirements
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2018, 08:12:26 am »
Hi even though you do not need a COF for a boat under 9 meters it still needs to be seaworthy - that is the responsibility of you as the one that is in charge. So at a minimum you would need life jackets for your tender etc.
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« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2018, 08:48:09 am »
This, by comparison to Skiboat requirements makes no sense ? Yet is exposed to similar risks.
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Re: Skippers ticket requirements
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2018, 09:15:34 am »
http://miasa.co.za/samsa-south-african-maritme-safety-authority/#skippers     SAMSA information .....has all you need to know. :thumleft:


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Re: Skippers ticket requirements
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2018, 09:41:33 am »
http://miasa.co.za/samsa-south-african-maritme-safety-authority/#skippers     SAMSA information .....has all you need to know. :thumleft:

Thank you for the link Coxwain.
Vlekkie your question about the kayak is also answered in the link.

1.Power driven boats of 15hp or less, sailing vessels of 9 metres or less in length and vessels propelled by human power, along are self-regulated and are not subject to statutory surveys, but must still carry the regulated safety equipment.
2.Skippers of pleasure vessels being sailing vessels of more than 9 meters in overall length or power driven vessels of more than 15hp require a Small Vessel Certificate of Competence.
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« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2018, 09:49:04 am »
http://miasa.co.za/samsa-south-african-maritme-safety-authority/#skippers     SAMSA information .....has all you need to know. :thumleft:

Thank you for the link Coxwain.
Vlekkie your question about the kayak is also answered in the link.

1.Power driven boats of 15hp or less, sailing vessels of 9 metres or less in length and vessels propelled by human power, along are self-regulated and are not subject to statutory surveys, but must still carry the regulated safety equipment.
2.Skippers of pleasure vessels being sailing vessels of more than 9 meters in overall length or power driven vessels of more than 15hp require a Small Vessel Certificate of Competence.

Ok thx!  So regulated safety equipment is a life jacket or would you need more on a human propelled vessel?
 

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Re: Skippers ticket requirements
« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2018, 09:57:04 am »
The exception to not holding a coastal skippers if you are launching/sailing offshore is if you are competing or participating in a sailing event where the yacht club has safety vessels present. If you have to ask this question then I think this is where you should be. Things can go very wrong very quickly offshore and usually to the unaware.
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Re: Skippers ticket requirements
« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2018, 10:09:28 am »
http://miasa.co.za/samsa-south-african-maritme-safety-authority/#skippers     SAMSA information .....has all you need to know. :thumleft:

Thank you for the link Coxwain.
Vlekkie your question about the kayak is also answered in the link.

1.Power driven boats of 15hp or less, sailing vessels of 9 metres or less in length and vessels propelled by human power, along are self-regulated and are not subject to statutory surveys, but must still carry the regulated safety equipment.
2.Skippers of pleasure vessels being sailing vessels of more than 9 meters in overall length or power driven vessels of more than 15hp require a Small Vessel Certificate of Competence.

Ok thx!  So regulated safety equipment is a life jacket or would you need more on a human propelled vessel?

Dont know how you make the "connection" that regulated safety equipment is only a life jacket  :sip:
Lots of typing my friend .Sorry one finger typer  :lol8:
 Just go and read up on it. We have provided you the links to start of your research.
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Re: Skippers ticket requirements
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2018, 11:01:06 am »
http://miasa.co.za/samsa-south-african-maritme-safety-authority/#skippers     SAMSA information .....has all you need to know. :thumleft:

Thank you for the link Coxwain.
Vlekkie your question about the kayak is also answered in the link.

1.Power driven boats of 15hp or less, sailing vessels of 9 metres or less in length and vessels propelled by human power, along are self-regulated and are not subject to statutory surveys, but must still carry the regulated safety equipment.
2.Skippers of pleasure vessels being sailing vessels of more than 9 meters in overall length or power driven vessels of more than 15hp require a Small Vessel Certificate of Competence.

Ok thx!  So regulated safety equipment is a life jacket or would you need more on a human propelled vessel?

Dont know how you make the "connection" that regulated safety equipment is only a life jacket  :sip:
Lots of typing my friend .Sorry one finger typer  :lol8:
 Just go and read up on it. We have provided you the links to start of your research.

Ok will do - a lot to learn I suppose.  My "connection" coming from the fact that from what I have seen most people do is take a kayak with a paddle and a life jacket - I ask because I don't know.  Will read the links when I have more time.
 

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Re: Skippers ticket requirements
« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2018, 11:15:53 am »
If you are going to sea, let your local NSRI station know about it. They appreciate your diligence and it may save your life one day.
Speak to the duty coxswain or the station commander.
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« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2018, 01:15:42 pm »
Thank you for the replies. So in summary one could take a 25 foot yacht and sail it from Durban to Cape Town without a skippers just ensuring one has all the safety gear etc. This probably would be dumb and reckless but not illegal....?

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Re: Skippers ticket requirements
« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2018, 09:26:43 pm »
Yes in short that is correct but a lot more acceptable than the original approach about 10 years ago where even your kyak and your hoby  needed a cof ... so 100 years ago you used your common sence and I suggest that you still do - no licence can replace that . So even though you can do as you say common sense would dictate that you should at least do a day skipper ... but commen sense would also dictate that you dont need it if you just sail every Sunday for an hour or 2 .
SO probably at the end a good compromise  :thumleft:
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