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Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
« Reply #160 on: August 21, 2018, 10:54:04 am »
Grease comes in various colours marine grease is normally blue. What you probably didnt see in the video is the assembler pack the bearing before fitting it..

Oh , I see, thanks!

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Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
« Reply #161 on: August 21, 2018, 10:55:33 am »
 

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Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
« Reply #162 on: August 21, 2018, 11:12:20 am »
Grease comes in various colours marine grease is normally blue. What you probably didnt see in the video is the assembler pack the bearing before fitting it..

Well you wish as much  ::)

White grease normally lithium based - very good for loaded bearings.
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Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
« Reply #163 on: August 21, 2018, 11:14:00 am »
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Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
« Reply #164 on: August 21, 2018, 11:18:48 am »
Horror!! Check how the steering head bearing gets greased. No wonder that almost every manufacturer head bearings kak prematurely.

My Yamaha XT600's head bearings show zero signs of wear, at 100 000kms, and I am sure they were greased like that..

It's the quality of bearing that make them last or fail prematurely.  That is enough grease, and two turns of the handlebars has the entire roller surface coated.

Steering head bearing can never have too much grease imho - just a surface coating not enough in my book  ???  But yes quality is vital as is adjustment and avoiding power washing that area (water ingress). Most have a dust seal that helps - I also fitted an o-ring at the bottom last time I did my Husky.
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Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
« Reply #165 on: August 21, 2018, 11:22:07 am »
Not too impressed, no grease on the linkage, no loctite anywhere, no torque wrench, vicegrip on the chain WTF.

At lease the air filter is in the right place, although I would have preferred a foam filter.
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Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
« Reply #166 on: August 21, 2018, 11:30:28 am »
Not too impressed, no grease on the linkage, no loctite anywhere, no torque wrench, vicegrip on the chain WTF.

At lease the air filter is in the right place, although I would have preferred a foam filter.

I also wondered a bit about the linkage having completely rebuilt mine on the Husky and was appalled at the condition at less than 15000km. I must say I packed and slathered mine - cannot remem,ber on the AJP if there are grease nipples?
I did see a torque wrench on the fork triple clamps and am presuming the air wrench was also torque set. I saw Nylock nuts - bolts may have loctite pre-applied. Yes a UNI type foam filter and sock would be nice but at least the airbox and intake is well placed.
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Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
« Reply #167 on: August 21, 2018, 11:39:13 am »
I've been on bearing manufacturers courses where it was explained very plausibly why it is unnecessary, and sometimes detrimental to 'cram' bearings with too much grease.

I'd also like to have it explained plausibly though why a bike needs two radiators and two fans?

Seems to me, that's only needed on two bikes.  ???
 

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Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
« Reply #168 on: August 21, 2018, 11:46:08 am »
I've been on bearing manufacturers courses where it was explained very plausibly why it is unnecessary, and sometimes detrimental to 'cram' bearings with too much grease.

I'd also like to have it explained plausibly though why a bike needs two radiators and two fans?

Seems to me, that's only needed on two bikes.  ???

Please share the very plausible detrimental effect too much grease may have.

Two radiators as I understand are really just for ease of fitting and servicing - also cheaper to replace one half than two (enduro bikes a good example). Two fans mean both can get extra air across them, and yes if one goes the other works. That said KTM enduro bikes generally have only one fan but two radiators.
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Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
« Reply #169 on: August 21, 2018, 11:48:54 am »
In 2010 I paid R75K for my brand new Husky TE610i, it was a fair price.

In 2018 basically the same thing will cost R140K+. Is it still a fair price, taking inflation into account? Should be R120K rather.

Thing is, if I have R140k in my pocket, do I buy this bike (very little dealer support), or do I rather go for 690/701?
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Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
« Reply #170 on: August 21, 2018, 11:56:49 am »
In 2010 I paid R75K for my brand new Husky TE610i, it was a fair price.

In 2018 basically the same thing will cost R140K+. Is it still a fair price, taking inflation into account? Should be R120K rather.

Thing is, if I have R140k in my pocket, do I buy this bike (very little dealer support), or do I rather go for 690/701?

Sound observation and question.  :thumleft:
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Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
« Reply #171 on: August 21, 2018, 12:14:36 pm »
This is the problem I'm having now. I would like a 17/18 701 with pipe and under seat tank used, not likely to find one easily or I can get the AJP with tank and pipe for same price as a new 701 without extras. What to do???

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Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
« Reply #172 on: August 21, 2018, 12:15:09 pm »
Not too impressed, no grease on the linkage, no loctite anywhere, no torque wrench, vicegrip on the chain WTF.

At lease the air filter is in the right place, although I would have preferred a foam filter.

I also wondered a bit about the linkage having completely rebuilt mine on the Husky and was appalled at the condition at less than 15000km. I must say I packed and slathered mine - cannot remem,ber on the AJP if there are grease nipples?
I did see a torque wrench on the fork triple clamps and am presuming the air wrench was also torque set. I saw Nylock nuts - bolts may have loctite pre-applied. Yes a UNI type foam filter and sock would be nice but at least the airbox and intake is well placed.

I think its the fast forward version of the built/video!..
 

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Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
« Reply #173 on: August 21, 2018, 12:18:16 pm »

Please share the very plausible detrimental effect too much grease may have.


I'm just thinking out loud now... most good bearings are prepacked but we add more, just in case or to seat the bearing and seal. Once the bearing has mated with the surface and coated the bearings where does the extra grease go? No where, it just oozes out the side and lies there collects dust after that which is also not ideal.
On a linkages, I've heard that if you add extra grease between your dust cover and the dust seal, if can actually cause an hydraulic type lock on your linkage when torquing it up. I'm not sure how true this is but after doing mine recently I can believe it possible.
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Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
« Reply #174 on: August 21, 2018, 12:27:04 pm »
This is the problem I'm having now. I would like a 17/18 701 with pipe and under seat tank used, not likely to find one easily or I can get the AJP with tank and pipe for same price as a new 701 without extras. What to do???

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 :lol8: I'm basically in the same boat! I like this thing!

If you look back at the bike discussions/wishlists then this is exactly what many have been waiting/hoping/wishing for!..
 

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Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
« Reply #175 on: August 21, 2018, 05:00:35 pm »
Dealer support is grossly overrated. Some dealerships are actively avoided post purchase.

I'd have no hesitation in buying one of these. Almost every part except the frame and plastics is common to a number of other bikes anyway.
 

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Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
« Reply #176 on: August 21, 2018, 05:04:19 pm »
Dealer support is grossly overrated. Some dealerships are actively avoided post purchase.

I'd have no hesitation in buying one of these. Almost every part except the frame and plastics is common to a number of other bikes anyway.

Even ordering parts on-line nowadays is so easy, I would just stock an extra pair of service items.
 

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Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
« Reply #177 on: August 21, 2018, 05:08:43 pm »
I'm not worried about dealer network, as said they are full on BS anyway. AJP will supply any warranty parts and I can maintain and repair the bike myself.

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Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
« Reply #178 on: August 22, 2018, 09:23:55 am »

Please share the very plausible detrimental effect too much grease may have.


I'm just thinking out loud now... most good bearings are prepacked but we add more, just in case or to seat the bearing and seal. Once the bearing has mated with the surface and coated the bearings where does the extra grease go? No where, it just oozes out the side and lies there collects dust after that which is also not ideal.
On a linkages, I've heard that if you add extra grease between your dust cover and the dust seal, if can actually cause an hydraulic type lock on your linkage when torquing it up. I'm not sure how true this is but after doing mine recently I can believe it possible.

The amount of grease is a fine line, too little is bad too much equally as bad.
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Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
« Reply #179 on: August 22, 2018, 09:34:36 am »
Grease is used as waterproofing on off-road bikes, not only a lubricant.
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