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Re: I am weak.
« Reply #80 on: May 03, 2019, 01:34:33 pm »
Black is the worst colour for a heat shield try silver. 😎 exhaust side
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« Reply #81 on: May 03, 2019, 01:43:45 pm »
Black is the worst colour for a heat shield try silver. 😎 exhaust side

Ag it only really needs to protect the furthest bottom corner. The rest is just to make it look a bit less random 😂
 

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Re: I am weak.
« Reply #82 on: May 06, 2019, 08:10:59 am »
Your bike is looking good Roadhawg. Nice!
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Re: I am weak.
« Reply #83 on: May 06, 2019, 12:46:04 pm »
SHot man.

It's pretty much exactly how I want it now.  Still undecided about the upper crash bars, but doing a Sani trip end of the month so they'll stay on for that at least.

 

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Re: I am weak.
« Reply #84 on: May 06, 2019, 03:30:29 pm »
SHot man.

It's pretty much exactly how I want it now.  Still undecided about the upper crash bars, but doing a Sani trip end of the month so they'll stay on for that at least.



Join Losper on a Lesotho ride then you wont be undecided! haha
Whats your opinion on the air intake setup vs 1190?
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Re: I am weak.
« Reply #85 on: May 06, 2019, 03:44:23 pm »
SHot man.

It's pretty much exactly how I want it now.  Still undecided about the upper crash bars, but doing a Sani trip end of the month so they'll stay on for that at least.



Join Losper on a Lesotho ride then you wont be undecided! haha
Whats your opinion on the air intake setup vs 1190?

It's the same.  Same airbox and basic intakes.  You can just put KTM's prefilters instead of using the UNI's
 

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Re: I am weak.
« Reply #86 on: May 07, 2019, 07:12:54 am »
another random question....
If you dropped a tooth or two on the 1190, wouldn't the low-down torque be similar?
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Re: I am weak.
« Reply #87 on: May 07, 2019, 08:53:43 am »
another random question....
If you dropped a tooth or two on the 1190, wouldn't the low-down torque be similar?

I went one tooth down on the front of the 1290 as well :biggrin:

Stock it seemed to have a VERY long 6th gear, but it may have just been that I was used to the 16T on the 1190. I have heard many people say that 6th is long on the 1290 though so I think it is actually geared differently.  16T shortened that slightly, and just seems to suit my riding style better.

I suppose shortening the gearing will make it FEEL torquier but won't actually change the numbers on a dyno. The 12 does seem to have more bottom end and is more linear, where the 1190 felt more peaky.
 
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Re: I am weak.
« Reply #88 on: May 07, 2019, 04:08:58 pm »
another random question....
If you dropped a tooth or two on the 1190, wouldn't the low-down torque be similar?

I went one tooth down on the front of the 1290 as well :biggrin:

Stock it seemed to have a VERY long 6th gear, but it may have just been that I was used to the 16T on the 1190. I have heard many people say that 6th is long on the 1290 though so I think it is actually geared differently.  16T shortened that slightly, and just seems to suit my riding style better.

I suppose shortening the gearing will make it FEEL torquier but won't actually change the numbers on a dyno. The 12 does seem to have more bottom end and is more linear, where the 1190 felt more peaky.

won't it move the torque curve slightly to the left when looking at the X-axis in km/h, resulting in higher torque at slower speeds?
 

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Re: I am weak.
« Reply #89 on: May 07, 2019, 09:32:02 pm »
another random question....
If you dropped a tooth or two on the 1190, wouldn't the low-down torque be similar?

I went one tooth down on the front of the 1290 as well :biggrin:

Stock it seemed to have a VERY long 6th gear, but it may have just been that I was used to the 16T on the 1190. I have heard many people say that 6th is long on the 1290 though so I think it is actually geared differently.  16T shortened that slightly, and just seems to suit my riding style better.

I suppose shortening the gearing will make it FEEL torquier but won't actually change the numbers on a dyno. The 12 does seem to have more bottom end and is more linear, where the 1190 felt more peaky.

won't it move the torque curve slightly to the left when looking at the X-axis in km/h, resulting in higher torque at slower speeds?

You calibrate the dyno to the vehicles gearing with each run. So I guess if you calibrated it stock, then stuck the different sprocket on and tested it the actual numbers would be different.

But from what I understand if you run it as normal they should be the same. I know some guys that own and run a dyno, Iíll ask them, theyíre smarter than me. (Thatís how I discovered a 1190 is longer than a Hayabusa  :biggrin: )
 

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Re: I am weak.
« Reply #90 on: May 07, 2019, 09:40:06 pm »
another random question....
If you dropped a tooth or two on the 1190, wouldn't the low-down torque be similar?

I went one tooth down on the front of the 1290 as well :biggrin:

Stock it seemed to have a VERY long 6th gear, but it may have just been that I was used to the 16T on the 1190. I have heard many people say that 6th is long on the 1290 though so I think it is actually geared differently.  16T shortened that slightly, and just seems to suit my riding style better.

I suppose shortening the gearing will make it FEEL torquier but won't actually change the numbers on a dyno. The 12 does seem to have more bottom end and is more linear, where the 1190 felt more peaky.

won't it move the torque curve slightly to the left when looking at the X-axis in km/h, resulting in higher torque at slower speeds?

You calibrate the dyno to the vehicles gearing with each run. So I guess if you calibrated it stock, then stuck the different sprocket on and tested it the actual numbers would be different.

But from what I understand if you run it as normal they should be the same. I know some guys that own and run a dyno, Iíll ask them, theyíre smarter than me. (Thatís how I discovered a 1190 is longer than a Hayabusa  :biggrin: )

would be interesting to know - but the way I see it, is if the engine is at higher revs at (now after sprocket change) lower speed, the engine will give you the torque and kW that it normally did at the normal speed - the curves are for the engine and its RPM
 

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Re: I am weak.
« Reply #91 on: May 07, 2019, 09:52:47 pm »
another random question....
If you dropped a tooth or two on the 1190, wouldn't the low-down torque be similar?

I went one tooth down on the front of the 1290 as well :biggrin:

Stock it seemed to have a VERY long 6th gear, but it may have just been that I was used to the 16T on the 1190. I have heard many people say that 6th is long on the 1290 though so I think it is actually geared differently.  16T shortened that slightly, and just seems to suit my riding style better.

I suppose shortening the gearing will make it FEEL torquier but won't actually change the numbers on a dyno. The 12 does seem to have more bottom end and is more linear, where the 1190 felt more peaky.

won't it move the torque curve slightly to the left when looking at the X-axis in km/h, resulting in higher torque at slower speeds?

You calibrate the dyno to the vehicles gearing with each run. So I guess if you calibrated it stock, then stuck the different sprocket on and tested it the actual numbers would be different.

But from what I understand if you run it as normal they should be the same. I know some guys that own and run a dyno, Iíll ask them, theyíre smarter than me. (Thatís how I discovered a 1190 is longer than a Hayabusa  :biggrin: )

would be interesting to know - but the way I see it, is if the engine is at higher revs at (now after sprocket change) lower speed, the engine will give you the torque and kW that it normally did at the normal speed - the curves are for the engine and its RPM

Yeh the graph is torque/hp vs RPM not speed so they should be identical, unless you rig it with the calibration story.
 

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Re: I am weak.
« Reply #92 on: May 09, 2019, 08:49:26 am »
what Bundu said.

Figures are the same, but its delivered sooner and quicker. same as low range in 4x4 (but not as profound)

Reason I did sprocket change was to allow slower crawling speed. Its something like 6kmph vs 8kmph idling in gear, clutch out.
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« Reply #93 on: May 09, 2019, 10:20:52 am »
what Bundu said.

Figures are the same, but its delivered sooner and quicker. same as low range in 4x4 (but not as profound)

Reason I did sprocket change was to allow slower crawling speed. Its something like 6kmph vs 8kmph idling in gear, clutch out.

Yeah in real world conditions it changes things a bit, but I dyno shouldn't see any difference.
 

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Re: I am weak.
« Reply #94 on: May 09, 2019, 08:23:06 pm »
another random question....
If you dropped a tooth or two on the 1190, wouldn't the low-down torque be similar?

I went one tooth down on the front of the 1290 as well :biggrin:

Stock it seemed to have a VERY long 6th gear, but it may have just been that I was used to the 16T on the 1190. I have heard many people say that 6th is long on the 1290 though so I think it is actually geared differently.  16T shortened that slightly, and just seems to suit my riding style better.

I suppose shortening the gearing will make it FEEL torquier but won't actually change the numbers on a dyno. The 12 does seem to have more bottom end and is more linear, where the 1190 felt more peaky.

won't it move the torque curve slightly to the left when looking at the X-axis in km/h, resulting in higher torque at slower speeds?

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« Reply #95 on: July 01, 2019, 10:27:26 am »
Haven't managed to ride much lately.
Went screwing around last night finding bit of dirt near my house :biggrin:

Still loving the thing though.


 

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« Reply #96 on: July 08, 2019, 09:54:38 am »
The crashbar maker has made some revisions and offered to modify mine for me :thumleft:


God I forgot how good it looks without the upper bars :drif:


Might leave them off until I know I'm doing more gnarly stuff (although they for sure saved my ass at Sani)
 

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« Reply #97 on: July 08, 2019, 09:21:43 pm »
I agree, most of those upper crash bars look super fuggly - I saw some a while ago that didn't look too bad, but can't find them now - think they were made in Italy...
 

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« Reply #98 on: July 09, 2019, 08:15:16 am »
I agree, most of those upper crash bars look super fuggly - I saw some a while ago that didn't look too bad, but can't find them now - think they were made in Italy...
The Outback Motortek ones look decent but $$$$$  Hell they're all $$ but the Scott Adventure ones I have are very well priced and clearly do the job.

They're not such a mission to fit and remove so might just leave them off when not needed.