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Offline miks

Rallies and the like.
« on: July 31, 2018, 05:13:33 pm »
Howzit guys,

Please can someone assist with some info...
Rally racing is something that has interested me for long. I'm now in a position where I could start working toward preparing a bike and doing a race but am finding it difficult to get the info required.

- when are the Rally races, one day races (Pongola 500 etc.) in SA held throughout the year? I only know of the ones spoken about on WD.
- Which stores/online retailers in SA sell Rally nav. equipment? I see lots online but will have to import.
- Omega, NL Designs - and who else for a nav tower/fairings locally?

I'm roping @Knibbs into this too!   :biggrin:

 

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Re: Rallies and the like.
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2018, 05:18:16 pm »
First step toward making this happen was selling my beloved  690R last week.  :(
But now there is a space in the garage that will likely be taken by a 500.  :thumleft:
 

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Re: Rallies and the like.
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2018, 05:20:06 pm »
First step toward making this happen was selling my beloved  690R last week.  :(
But now there is a space in the garage that will likely be taken by a 500.  :thumleft:

I would have thought the 450's would be the better race option?
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Re: Rallies and the like.
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2018, 06:00:47 pm »
It could be, but I'm leaning toward a 500.
Kitting the bike out will take a while and still being able to use the bike for adventure outrides is a need for me  :thumleft: The 500's I'm looking at are already on the road which is less admin for me with another bike.

The main reason for initially selling the 690 was the added weight of the ABS etc which would not be needed for the riding I'm planning on doing.
 

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Re: Rallies and the like.
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2018, 07:39:58 pm »
miks, the Pongola is not a roadbook navigational rally, only GPS afaik.  That leaves 2 local races that could be done with roadbook navigation; the Tankwa and Kalahari.

Donít jump in too quickly with roadbook holder, trip and cap.  Keep your bike standard and do the rally light version first.  Just as much fun can be had, but substantially cheaper.  It is always cheaper to buy a rally ready bike than kit it out yourself from scratch.

For equipment, speak to Oom Adie from Rockfox first before you import anything.  I ran both the Rockfox trip and Cap and they were perfect.
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Re: Rallies and the like.
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2018, 08:25:14 pm »
Hey Miks,
Shot for the 690....... very happy new owner here  :ricky:

When I come pick up the rest of the farkles for the 690, letís have a chat about the Rally Scene.
I remember being quite daunted and not quite knowing where to start when starting out with my rally interests.

 

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Re: Rallies and the like.
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2018, 08:47:52 pm »
miks, the Pongola is not a roadbook navigational rally, only GPS afaik.  That leaves 2 local races that could be done with roadbook navigation; the Tankwa and Kalahari.

Donít jump in too quickly with roadbook holder, trip and cap.  Keep your bike standard and do the rally light version first.  Just as much fun can be had, but substantially cheaper.  It is always cheaper to buy a rally ready bike than kit it out yourself from scratch.

For equipment, speak to Oom Adie from Rockfox first before you import anything.  I ran both the Rockfox trip and Cap and they were perfect.

Thanks Kobus.

What is 'rally light"?  :o

I'm keen to get some riding done in events like the Pongola 500 etc. Is there a published race calendar for these things?
 

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Re: Rallies and the like.
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2018, 08:48:25 pm »
Hey Miks,
Shot for the 690....... very happy new owner here  :ricky:

When I come pick up the rest of the farkles for the 690, letís have a chat about the Rally Scene.
I remember being quite daunted and not quite knowing where to start when starting out with my rally interests.

Will take you up on that, thanks Craig!
 

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Re: Rallies and the like.
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2018, 05:20:37 am »
miks, the Pongola is not a roadbook navigational rally, only GPS afaik.  That leaves 2 local races that could be done with roadbook navigation; the Tankwa and Kalahari.

Donít jump in too quickly with roadbook holder, trip and cap.  Keep your bike standard and do the rally light version first.  Just as much fun can be had, but substantially cheaper.  It is always cheaper to buy a rally ready bike than kit it out yourself from scratch.

For equipment, speak to Oom Adie from Rockfox first before you import anything.  I ran both the Rockfox trip and Cap and they were perfect.

Thanks Kobus.

What is 'rally light"?  :o

I'm keen to get some riding done in events like the Pongola 500 etc. Is there a published race calendar for these things?

The late legend Alexander Nel of Amageza fame introduced the West Coast Baja as a shorter and more affordable event to get guys into the rally scene.  You had two options:  Either you participate in the full rally class by navigating with roadbook and all the associated instruments, or you participate in the light (lite?) class by gps navigation only.

Opposed to having a fuel range of +-250km, you only need about 80km in the light class.  It basically means you can take your stock standard enduro bike, fit a gps and participate.

If you look in the racing section board, youíll see the Tankwa cross country that has this class as part of the event as well, think they state 70km fuel range required.

The Kalahari rally also has an adventure class which could be participated in.

Thereís guys here on the forum with WAY more experience than me that will give you some very sound advice.


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Re: Rallies and the like.
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2018, 06:00:06 am »
Some good pointers here already. :thumleft:

Checkout the various rally RR's as well and also the many rally prep threads. Search function in this thread is your friend. :deal:

if you need some inspiration on racing rallies in general click on the link in my sig line. Or even better ready "From Para to Dakar." in the racing thread.

I dont agree with going for the gps "lite" version of rallies. The whole idea of proper rally racing is that you are able to navigate and race. This gives someone who is good with a roadbook the edge.

Since Alexander, we have yet to see someone take up the banner with long rallies in RSA, but there are still some great events to get stuck into (mentioned already). Otherwise you will need to look at renting a bike and doing something overseas. Not many rallies left this year, apart from the Maroc which is iconic.

You could rent a bike with Desert Rose racing, or a few others, but it is not very cheap. Unfortunately rallies aren't very cheap generally.

I would suggest you go for a light version of nav setup: Use Rockfox's CAP & ICO and get a roadbook holder that mounts on your bars - This is what is meant by a rally light setup. If you scrounge around in the racing section you will find a few guys like markdiver, who made some really awesome 300-600km roadbook loops out of Gauteng that you can use to practice on. If they do give you a roadbook route from a friendly rally person, consider paying a donation if he does not charge you, because it is damn expensive and shit-tonne of work to setup routes and road books.

Also talk to Chris from Flying Brick, he has some good rally stuff as well.

A 500 is a little on the bigger side for a rally bike (not all rallies accept bigger than 450 anymore) but perfect for training on in my view. :thumleft:

All the best, ride safe and do keep us updated with your rally build! :thumleft: :ricky:
« Last Edit: August 05, 2018, 06:03:23 am by BlueBull2007 »
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Re: Rallies and the like.
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2018, 08:08:42 pm »
Speak to the Omega boys... Thomas Eich & Niklaus LŁtzeler!!!

Not only do they build porny sexy bikes with full Nav but also have roadbook training events. We just had one this past weekend... 913km over 2-days. Perfect for newbies.

I'm selling my 450 in the for sale section:

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=222727.0


« Last Edit: August 08, 2018, 08:10:53 pm by AlexRG »
 
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Re: Rallies and the like.
« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2018, 12:35:27 am »
Miks,

Give me a shout, i am a complete novice with two Amageza's under my belt (finished both) and a couple of Pongola 500's and i am more than willing to share my experiences as well as any pointers i can. I have no idea how i finished the 2015 Amageza, no road book training, a semi sufficient KTM 450 but a huge learning curve and the bug had bitten.
Also a very amicable community the rally guys most all willing to help guys get involved in the sport.
Planing on doing the Kalahari this year as well and as nervous as i was on my first Amageza.
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Re: Rallies and the like.
« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2018, 08:12:26 am »
Ross are you in on the Kalahari?
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Re: Rallies and the like.
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2018, 10:44:33 am »
Been a while since I updated here.

Acquired a very nice 500 EXC six days after seeing my 690 go.
Have been advised by many to first get some decent hours on the 500 before considering a conversion with a tower etc.

I'm currently looking whats around locally in terms of racing. There is farm jam hare scramble but the last one I believe is this weekend which I cannot do.
Is there anything else happening for the remainder of this year?
 

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Re: Rallies and the like.
« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2018, 11:01:10 am »
GXCC on the 13th of this month
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Re: Rallies and the like.
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2018, 11:15:31 am »
miks, I see you are in Gauteng somewhere, which is not too far from the Kalahari rally starting on the 13th October. It will be a great opportunity to see what the rally scene is all about.
 

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Re: Rallies and the like.
« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2018, 03:54:52 pm »
Hey guys .... not meaning to Hi-Jack the thread, but I'm wanting to do the same. I would really like to get involved in rallying.

I've got a fully kitted out 701, which is my ADV bike (which I love) ... and I'm lucky enough to soon be owning a 690 RFR.

As it looks, the Tankwa XC and Kalahari rally are the ones to do in SA. Tankwa maybe a little bit more plastic bike oriented.

So first thing I think would be to get some roadblock training ... anyone in CT that can help with that ?

Bike wise ... its either going to be my 701 / 690 or a 450 with "rally light"
 

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Re: Rallies and the like.
« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2018, 04:19:28 pm »
Mark ping Fuzzy Muzzy, Scrat and Buff.

Between the three of them, they will know or at least get you in touch with the right folks.
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Re: Rallies and the like.
« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2018, 05:22:33 pm »
Hey guys .... not meaning to Hi-Jack the thread, but I'm wanting to do the same. I would really like to get involved in rallying.

I've got a fully kitted out 701, which is my ADV bike (which I love) ... and I'm lucky enough to soon be owning a 690 RFR.

As it looks, the Tankwa XC and Kalahari rally are the ones to do in SA. Tankwa maybe a little bit more plastic bike oriented.

So first thing I think would be to get some roadblock training ... anyone in CT that can help with that ?

Bike wise ... its either going to be my 701 / 690 or a 450 with "rally light"

I'll be happy to help out.
 

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Re: Rallies and the like.
« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2018, 05:49:33 pm »
Looking at the success of Tankwa and Kalahari  we will have rally lite towers and aux tanks available next year for both Tankwa and Kalahari.  A few might be 'for rent' as well.

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