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Re: E.I.C.M.A. 2018...
« Reply #80 on: November 06, 2018, 09:16:42 pm »
Why is KTM reliability frequently brought up by members like XRRX that own reliable but boring bikes? :pot:

Hoekom dink jy?

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Soortgelyk aan die ou met sy Corolla wat alles te se het oor hoe “onbetroubaar” sy neef se 911 Turbo is terwyl hy nie eers weet daar is n “S” in Porsche nie.


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Re: E.I.C.M.A. 2018...
« Reply #81 on: November 06, 2018, 09:56:31 pm »
Why is KTM reliability frequently brought up by members like XRRX that own reliable but boring bikes? :pot:

Hoekom dink jy?

 :pot:

Soortgelyk aan die ou met sy Corolla wat alles te se het oor hoe “onbetroubaar” sy neef se 911 Turbo is terwyl hy nie eers weet daar is n “S” in Porsche nie.


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Re: E.I.C.M.A. 2018...
« Reply #82 on: November 06, 2018, 11:46:22 pm »
Jy hoef nie noodwendig KTM te besit om te weet van sommige modelle se design flaws nie.

Reliability gesprekke is afgesaag en solank mens net vroegtydig weet van elke bike se issues en die shit moontlik self kan fix, is dit prima.

So laat die Yamaha/Honda/ktm bra koop en ry wat hy wil.

Hy forseer jou mos nie om iets te koop wat jy nie wil nie.

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Re: E.I.C.M.A. 2018...
« Reply #83 on: November 07, 2018, 06:27:09 am »
Nothing DP from other manufacturers like Kawa and Suz?


Triumph 1200 scrambler with 250mm suspension travel...



Is that it or what do we miss? Not all that exciting but if I was in a position to choose the 790R please!
 

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Re: E.I.C.M.A. 2018...
« Reply #84 on: November 07, 2018, 07:34:37 am »
Nothing DP from other manufacturers like Kawa and Suz?

Triumph 1200 scrambler with 250mm suspension travel...

Is that it or what do we miss? Not all that exciting but if I was in a position to choose the 790R please!

Thanks for bringing this back on-topic.

This is the closest Kawa have to dual purpose


The previous generation bike was amazing as a tourer, can only imagine this will be tons better.  Polarising looks though.

And the Triumph 1200 Scrambler was unveiled before EICMA... but considering what has been revealed, I might actually prefer that over anything:

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Re: E.I.C.M.A. 2018...
« Reply #85 on: November 07, 2018, 07:38:02 am »
Why is KTM reliability frequently brought up by members like XRRX that own reliable but boring bikes? :pot:

Hoekom dink jy?

 :pot:

Soortgelyk aan die ou met sy Corolla wat alles te se het oor hoe “onbetroubaar” sy neef se 911 Turbo is terwyl hy nie eers weet daar is n “S” in Porsche nie.


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Firstly my apologies to other readers and the OP of this thread for my contribution in completely derailing the discussion!!!

Sadly it happens in every thread where both myself and Renrew participates. (And yes I know exactly why - and it has actually nothing to do with bikes ...)
So yes, I'm standing back!!

I'm not going to try and "justify" my opinions nor "credit" my opinions regarding bikes, by explaining my "biking background" the past 35 yrs.'!! If you have to ride a specific bike/brand in a perceived specific way to be allowed an opinion - this forum has lost any meaning ...

Let's leave it at that - maybe in 3 yrs time I'll buy a 790R if it manages to prove my opinion wrong and if it's the best tool at the time for my needs - in the mean time my "Boring Delivery Bike" is perfect for my current needs without breaking the bank - and I'm not aware that I've asked any other member a contribution for the bloody "thing" !!

 

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Re: E.I.C.M.A. 2018...
« Reply #86 on: November 07, 2018, 07:44:33 am »
This is the closest Kawa have to dual purpose

For the SA Market, maybe. You can still buy a new KLR in the US.

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« Reply #87 on: November 07, 2018, 07:45:52 am »
This is the closest Kawa have to dual purpose

For the SA Market, maybe. You can still buy a new KLR in the US.

Sorry, I meant the closest Kawa have at EICMA :)

The KLR's days are also counted - production stops this year.

There is the Versys 300 though...

And some rumours about a KL550.
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Re: E.I.C.M.A. 2018...
« Reply #88 on: November 07, 2018, 07:47:48 am »
This is the closest Kawa have to dual purpose

For the SA Market, maybe. You can still buy a new KLR in the US.

Sorry, I meant the closest Kawa have at EICMA :)

The KLR's days are also counted - production stops this year.

There is the Versys 300 though...

And some rumours about a KL550.

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Re: E.I.C.M.A. 2018...
« Reply #89 on: November 07, 2018, 08:01:14 am »

Quote “PS - It’s a bit sad that the new 690 only has 250mm and the 701 has 275mm, what’s with KTM and the 690’s suspensions travel commitment issues!!!”

My feeling is that for touring the 250mm might be a better option. Lower seat height and 250 of good suspension can be better than 300mm of crap suspension.

The 690 & 701 are now once again. Some will argue the Xplor suspension even though 25mm less is an upgrade over the 4CS on the Husky.

Certainly for our tours and the riding I do 250mm works great.
 

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Re: E.I.C.M.A. 2018...
« Reply #90 on: November 07, 2018, 08:14:13 am »
That Triumph Scrambler is the star of the year for me  :thumleft:


Quote “PS - It’s a bit sad that the new 690 only has 250mm and the 701 has 275mm, what’s with KTM and the 690’s suspensions travel commitment issues!!!”

My feeling is that for touring the 250mm might be a better option. Lower seat height and 250 of good suspension can be better than 300mm of crap suspension.

The 690 & 701 are now once again. Some will argue the Xplor suspension even though 25mm less is an upgrade over the 4CS on the Husky.

Certainly for our tours and the riding I do 250mm works great.

I've certainly never felt limited by the travel on my 690. I have other issues with the suspension but travel is not one of them. I think the Xplor forks will be an improvement from what I've read
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Re: E.I.C.M.A. 2018...
« Reply #91 on: November 07, 2018, 09:40:28 am »
Some members (read member) seem to be slightly confused:

 - Honda AT (NON DCT) is 232kg WET (18.8L of Fuel)
 - KTM 790 ADV R is 205kg WET (20L of Fuel)

AND - That’s with the 790R having 1.2L more fuel!

So relatively speaking, the AT is 28.8kg heavier!!!

Same Power at 70kw, but the 790R is a whopping 27kg less! More importantly, 20L of fuel is sitting 70% lower than the AT. This is colossal chaps.

So if someone says things like “unimpressive, basically the same or the AT still wins”, they’re completely delusional.

Sure if you prefer the look of the AT, the gold forks or the brand, by all means you’re welcome to say you prefer the AT.

But factually comparing them and arriving at the conclusion that the AT is a better bike based on weight, suspension, suspension travel, range and performance is a dead-end argument.

Reliability and dealer support are actually red herrings. Important, sure, but all these bikes are very reliable with decent support.

Then we haven’t even compared ground clearance, seat height, suspension and instrumentation capabilities.


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Hook...line & sinker!!!  :biggrin: :lol8: :lol8:

While we're splitting hair here:
Face-lift AT manual is actually 228kg!!
Difference in fuel - 1.1l !
(Wikipedea)
And BTW - it's funny that the 790 and 790R weights the same - given the difference in suspension components!! The R is probably going to be at least 210kg - unless the standard one has got lots of extra stuff that is not standard on the R... and 189 + 20 does not equals 205!  :P

And your statement about KTM's reliability and back-up is just  :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
In your defence - you are a city-boy - so maybe you experience KTM a bit different... 
 
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It’s funny how you make claim with complete confidence all the while being totally oblivious as to your inabilities:

189 + 20 does not equals 205!

Ok let me see if I can explain this in a way that you can understand: 20L of fuel does not weigh 20kg, hence referencing 205kg instead of 209kg. The weight of 1Ll of fuel is ~.71 - .77kg.

So that’s 14.2kg - 15.2kg for 20L of fuel.

189+15.2 is...dumdumduuum 204.2KG’s

As for you other comments about different components and this the 790R should be heavier yada yada yada, all I can do is laugh.

Jys nie lekker nie oompie.

PS - Yes I’m a city boy. And? Is that more relevant than having your facts correct, having had a crapload of bikes and ridden them properly (not talking about dirty tar roads) and more importantly, not owning a delivery bike but claiming to be the oracle on all things non-delivery bike.

Yup that’s what I thought.

Anyway, thought my perspective would be valuable in appreciating what was done with the 790R.





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Re: E.I.C.M.A. 2018...
« Reply #92 on: November 07, 2018, 10:40:58 am »
the 189 is without fuel only. Coolant and oil weighed in
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« Reply #93 on: November 07, 2018, 11:48:37 am »
LOVE to have one (or both) of these little tykes!!!  :thumleft:    :drif:

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Honda has a pair of 125cc motorcycle concepts on display at the EICMA show in Milan right now, and they kick so much ass it’s unreal. The little red pocket motard is creatively dubbed CB125M, while the tiny TransAlp-esque white job is called the CB125X. Honda’s R&D center in Rome crafted both of these bikes using the new CB125R as a starting platform.



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Re: E.I.C.M.A. 2018...
« Reply #94 on: November 07, 2018, 12:01:28 pm »
Any Moto Guzzi's adventure pics ?
 

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Re: E.I.C.M.A. 2018...
« Reply #95 on: November 07, 2018, 01:35:59 pm »
That white Honda 125 is by far the prettiest bike on this fred!  :thumleft:
 

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Re: E.I.C.M.A. 2018...
« Reply #96 on: November 07, 2018, 01:44:29 pm »
That white Honda 125 is by far the prettiest bike on this fred!  :thumleft:
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Re: E.I.C.M.A. 2018...
« Reply #97 on: November 07, 2018, 01:48:02 pm »
That white Honda 125 is by far the prettiest bike on this fred!  :thumleft:
+1!

Now if Honda could just supersize the engine  :thumleft:
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Re: E.I.C.M.A. 2018...
« Reply #98 on: November 07, 2018, 01:49:48 pm »
That white Honda 125 is by far the prettiest bike on this fred!  :thumleft:
+1!

Because it looks like a 990.

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Re: E.I.C.M.A. 2018...
« Reply #99 on: November 07, 2018, 01:52:16 pm »
That white Honda 125 is by far the prettiest bike on this fred!  :thumleft:

Absolutely!
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