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Offline SparkMark

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Tyre Choice
« on: November 14, 2018, 02:55:47 pm »
Hey guys,

Since getting the bike I have gone through 2 TKC80's and I've covered 5000km's.

So the milage is a little shorter than I would like, but my last TKC had small rips and the knoblies started to shred, which I've not had before.

So I'm thinking about trying something different:

Dunlop 606
Pirelli MT21
Michelin Desert rally
Mitas E-12

Anyone had some better feel specifically when fitted on the 701 ?
 

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Re: Tyre Choice
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2018, 03:07:52 pm »
Have a look at the MotoZ tractionator adventure or Dessert tires. I am going to try the tractionator adventure next.
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Re: Tyre Choice
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2018, 06:22:27 pm »
My rear TKC lasted around 4000km. Replaced with E12 which was around R500 cheaper. Have just returned from first trip (Ben10 in EC) and very happy so far. Tar behaviour is pretty good, even twisties. On dirt (including mud and rocks) it is really good - hooks up better than TKC (which was pretty good actually). Never had any issues including "Bastardvoet". Can't comment on sand. It is however looking pretty sad after <1000km.....although much of that is due to general abuse.....as is the wont on a 701....I'll be happy if it makes it to 3000km. Will buy again  :thumleft:

Mate on 690 had new Tractionator Deserts fitted for same trip. Very good on dirt but life threateningly awful on tar - max 130km/h....Tractionator Adventure looks like a better option  :thumleft:

PS: I cant see any (proper) rear lasting more than 4-5000km on a 701.........
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Re: Tyre Choice
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2018, 11:27:22 am »
Did quite a bit of reading last night ... there seems to be a general consensus that the D606 is one of the best rear tyres along with the Michelin Desert race.

For the front its all over the show .... MT21, MT18, MT16, AC10, and quite a few others.

E-09 also features for a rear.
 

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Re: Tyre Choice
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2018, 11:42:02 am »
I've used pretty much every tyre mentioned here. My current pick for the 690 is D606 rear and Mitas C19 front. All the aggressive sets I've tried give more or less 3000kms. E09 lasts a little better but it's a MF to change by hand
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Re: Tyre Choice
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2018, 11:46:54 am »
I've used pretty much every tyre mentioned here. My current pick for the 690 is D606 rear and Mitas C19 front. All the aggressive sets I've tried give more or less 3000kms. E09 lasts a little better but it's a MF to change by hand

The C19 is pretty aggressive looking ... are you riding much tar with it (to get to the destination) ?
 

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Re: Tyre Choice
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2018, 11:55:22 am »
I've used pretty much every tyre mentioned here. My current pick for the 690 is D606 rear and Mitas C19 front. All the aggressive sets I've tried give more or less 3000kms. E09 lasts a little better but it's a MF to change by hand

The C19 is pretty aggressive looking ... are you riding much tar with it (to get to the destination) ?

I prefer very aggressive fronts. They are usually very cheap and lasts as long as most rears.

I don't do much touring, mostly just dirt with very little tar. I have ridden a fair bit of tar with a Dunlop AT81 which is virtually identical and it was fine.
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Re: Tyre Choice
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2018, 12:04:58 pm »
I cant see any (proper) rear lasting more than 4-5000km on a 701

I agree, in fact I'd be happy with 3000km, however with decent grip on & off.
My current (oem) TKC's, now at 1250km, I find only ok-ish offroad, and 'fine' on tar.
The rear wears square way too quickly through, I blame the hoon on the cable.
But a better tyre, less quick wearing please, will be good to have, hence me watching here.
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Re: Tyre Choice
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2018, 06:28:37 am »
Presently running the E12 rear and very happy with dirt hook up and hardtop. Longevity will have to see as tread depth is not a deep as a E09 and I see it has a green stripe which means soft compound normally.  Many say this will become the E09 successor. Unfortunately (or more like fortunately in other ways) I now have another tyre eating bike like the HP2  >:D
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Re: Tyre Choice
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2018, 08:02:30 am »
I go the happy medium route and do not fit aggressive tyres on my bike.

The cost and effort of frequent tyre changes is not worth the small amount of extra grip from aggressive knobblies.

I only ride with rear Mitas E-07, and front MT21 Pirelli rally-cross.
 

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Re: Tyre Choice
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2018, 09:11:57 am »
I had a Karoo 3 at the back and paid R2300 for it.
Got about 2300 km on it.   At R1,00 per kilometer, I dont find it very economical.
Maybe if I'm not so throttle-happy the tyre wouldve last longer though  :snorting:   :lol8:

The Karoo however is fantastic tyre in all conditions.  :thumleft:
 

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Re: Tyre Choice
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2018, 10:19:01 am »
I've used pretty much every tyre mentioned here. My current pick for the 690 is D606 rear and Mitas C19 front. All the aggressive sets I've tried give more or less 3000kms. E09 lasts a little better but it's a MF to change by hand

The C19 is pretty aggressive looking ... are you riding much tar with it (to get to the destination) ?

I prefer very aggressive fronts. They are usually very cheap and lasts as long as most rears.

I don't do much touring, mostly just dirt with very little tar. I have ridden a fair bit of tar with a Dunlop AT81 which is virtually identical and it was fine.

@Dwerg are you using the 130/90/18 D606 tyre. Apparently we don't get the 140/80/18 in the cape ?
 

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Re: Tyre Choice
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2018, 10:21:16 am »
Operator,

the Karoo 3 or the Karoo 3 Enduro?
Googlepics shows me 2 variants....
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Re: Tyre Choice
« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2018, 10:29:23 am »
I've used pretty much every tyre mentioned here. My current pick for the 690 is D606 rear and Mitas C19 front. All the aggressive sets I've tried give more or less 3000kms. E09 lasts a little better but it's a MF to change by hand

The C19 is pretty aggressive looking ... are you riding much tar with it (to get to the destination) ?

I prefer very aggressive fronts. They are usually very cheap and lasts as long as most rears.

I don't do much touring, mostly just dirt with very little tar. I have ridden a fair bit of tar with a Dunlop AT81 which is virtually identical and it was fine.

@Dwerg are you using the 130/90/18 D606 tyre. Apparently we don't get the 140/80/18 in the cape ?

I don't think it comes in a 140/18. I've used 120 and 130. 130 is already a pretty bulky tyre
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Re: Tyre Choice
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2018, 01:46:11 pm »
Operator,

the Karoo 3 or the Karoo 3 Enduro?
Googlepics shows me 2 variants....

Dont know......

You get the Karoo 3 Enduro and the Karoo 3 street.
I had the Enduro
 

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Re: Tyre Choice
« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2018, 11:48:52 am »
ok ... so I'm going to try the following setup:

Front: MT21
Rear: D606

Will keep you updated on how this works.
 

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Re: Tyre Choice
« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2018, 04:22:03 pm »
ok ... so I'm going to try the following setup:

Front: MT21
Rear: D606

Will keep you updated on how this works.

Before you commit to this I suggest you strongly consider -
Front: MT21
Rear: Motoz Desert H/T

The Motoz gives good life and good offroad grip.  Perfectly acceptable road manners although feels a little sketchy when new and not yet worn a bit.  First one gave me 8000 kms of tar and dirt.  Was well and truly finished by then.
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Re: Tyre Choice
« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2019, 08:24:52 am »
So after a few thousand km's here is my feedback.

MT21 - Great tyre, worked really well for me. Full confidence in it, and didn't come close to loosing the front end once. On road tyre was good, road holding was just about as good as the TKC80. Only down side for me is that on the loose stuff it felt like it was trying to find a groove.

D606 - Also found this to be a very good tyre. Road holding felt like it was about 10-15% less than TKC80, with it getting a little unsettled if I pushed hard. But for the on road loss, you gain better grip off road. I'll probably get about 2500 km's from the rear, which is the same from the TKC80, but given the price, makes it a much better proposition.

I think that I'm going to be using this going forward ... or possibly try the MT21 on the back.
 

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Re: Tyre Choice
« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2019, 08:49:53 am »
Thanks for the feedback, Mark. I want to try the Motoz Desert on the back. Presently got Mitas E12 back and TKC80 front. Working fine on and off, but while I used to go to the TKC front (esp on the HP2) I now want a more aggressive tyre up front. The Motoz fronts have not had such great reviews so need to decide what to use - been happy with a Mitas C27 front on the Husky 610 so may try that on the 701.
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Re: Tyre Choice
« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2019, 09:52:53 am »
Try the MT21 ... dirt cheap and pretty good in my opinion.