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Re: Tyre Choice
« Reply #40 on: February 28, 2019, 07:31:31 am »
Remind me what you using on the front? I am thinking of trying a Mitas C23

I have the Desert H/T front as well but am probably going back to the Pirelli MT21.

Is it noisy, unstable, sketchy,? Or just nothing special? I think I read that they had improved it - not sure in what respect?


Personally for me i think it gives better traction than the TKC for the rising that I do. On road its super stable and not noisy for me.

Rear - when new it is sensitive to grooves in the road along the direction of travel but in my view not too much.  When it wears a bit it this feeling disappears.  It is noisy between 70 and 100 on tar but to me not as bad as the D606 at slightly higher speeds.  Higher tire pressures help a little but I don't bother with that and use ear plugs.  Grip on tar (dry and wet) is okay, nothing special.  I do not ride knobblies particularly hard on twisty tar roads though.  What I love about this rear is the way it works in sand, it makes the bike pop out and stay on top of the surface like a water-skier behind a 300 hp rubber duck.  When this tire is new it has the biggest knobs of any tire I know of and that gives phenomenal traction in loose stuff.

Front - in dirt I find it often slides a little and then grips again.  Somewhat unnerving and the reason I am going to try the MT21 again.  But the current front has done about 9500 kilometres and not completely dead yet.  Road grip as above.
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Re: Tyre Choice
« Reply #41 on: March 01, 2019, 12:14:20 pm »
"it"

Which it?
I am blonde, did re-read the various quotes but no less than 3 tyres are mentioned....  :-\
Please help dummy-me?
Reason is 'it' is very well described for a change, so I'd like to know which it it refers to  ;)
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Re: Tyre Choice
« Reply #42 on: March 01, 2019, 12:21:19 pm »
"it"

Which it?
I am blonde, did re-read the various quotes but no less than 3 tyres are mentioned....  :-\
Please help dummy-me?
Reason is 'it' is very well described for a change, so I'd like to know which it it refers to  ;)

As I read it, "it" refers to the MotoZ Desert HT tires  :o
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Re: Tyre Choice
« Reply #43 on: March 01, 2019, 12:38:43 pm »
"it"

Which it?
I am blonde, did re-read the various quotes but no less than 3 tyres are mentioned....  :-\
Please help dummy-me?
Reason is 'it' is very well described for a change, so I'd like to know which it it refers to  ;)

As I read it, "it" refers to the MotoZ Desert HT tires  :o

Yes it for the Rear and also it for the Front - both have headings. And Yes MotoZ Trac Desert HT from my understanding.  :thumleft: :3some:

My problem at the moment is actually trying to get the local supplier to play ball ... yes he obviously is not selling them hand over fist at this stage but has been slack. Spoke to Steve about it and then had some movement but radio silence again ... Tick Tock ... really wanted it on for the weekend.  :-\
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Re: Tyre Choice
« Reply #44 on: March 01, 2019, 06:48:44 pm »
"it"

Which it?
I am blonde, did re-read the various quotes but no less than 3 tyres are mentioned....  :-\
Please help dummy-me?
Reason is 'it' is very well described for a change, so I'd like to know which it it refers to  ;)

Sorry about not being clear, my description above refers to the Motoz Tractionator Desert H/T tires.
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Re: Tyre Choice
« Reply #45 on: March 01, 2019, 08:31:52 pm »
Dankie Amsterdam,

en daarmee is ek officially dummer than w@nted & BD!
Oh well, I'll live with it  :P ;)

I just may try that tyre at the rear.... and, when it proves abysmal then expect loadsa denigrating hatemail of course!  :thumleft:


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Re: Tyre Choice
« Reply #46 on: March 07, 2019, 01:51:16 pm »
Still fucking waiting for my Tractionator Desert  :dousing:  Sharwoods have been pathetic and SGC have been moving  premises... at least three weeks of rondvok and nada! Ready to jetison the idea of trying Motoz.  :-[
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Re: Tyre Choice
« Reply #47 on: March 08, 2019, 07:46:50 am »
Maybe Chris @zebra - Flying Brick can help you although I think I got the last one from them recently.
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Re: Tyre Choice
« Reply #48 on: March 08, 2019, 08:06:03 am »


Quote from: Amsterdam on Today at 07:46:50 am>Maybe Chris @zebra - Flying Brick can help you although I think I got the last one from them recently.
Dom:
we have good stock of Tractionator Desert FRONTS (90x100x21)...
We ordered - and were invoiced yesterday, for 3 x 140 Desert REARS, which should arrive today, at lunch.
Dom, let me know if you want to assist, have in any case RESERVED one of each for you, just in case.
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Re: Tyre Choice
« Reply #49 on: March 08, 2019, 11:21:07 am »


Quote from: Amsterdam on Today at 07:46:50 am>Maybe Chris @zebra - Flying Brick can help you although I think I got the last one from them recently.
Dom:
we have good stock of Tractionator Desert FRONTS (90x100x21)...
We ordered - and were invoiced yesterday, for 3 x 140 Desert REARS, which should arrive today, at lunch.
Dom, let me know if you want to assist, have in any case RESERVED one of each for you, just in case.
Cheers! Chris & Team


Thanks Chris - really appreciated. I was thinking if there was a next time maybe I must just get from you but obviously extra transport. Just frustrating that the local agents seem to have their fingers in some orifice and cannet get their act together. I am guessing because they do not sell that many of them they do not keep in stock and then are slow on the ordering. I have rattled cages and phoned Steve to do the same and still no action. Just really pissed off and about to go get another E09 and fuck Motoz!
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Re: Tyre Choice
« Reply #50 on: March 08, 2019, 12:24:30 pm »
Just frustrating that the local agents seem to have their fingers in some orifice and cannet get their act together. I am guessing because they do not sell that many of them they do not keep in stock and then are slow on the ordering. I have rattled cages and phoned Steve to do the same and still no action. Just really pissed off and about to go get another E09 and fuck Motoz!

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Hell Chris, no wonder you do well  :thumleft:
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Re: Tyre Choice
« Reply #51 on: March 08, 2019, 01:23:51 pm »
Not sure if I'm that impressed with the rear Motoz Desert....Mate had one fitted to his 690 for a trip to Verneukpan last weekend and he was the only one who collected a puncture  ;). He also bitches about the handling on tar and hard pack dirt - claims it walks around constantly - it's only speed rated to 130km/h. On the plus side it looks awesome  8), has great hook up in the loose and, strangely, is easy to slip off/onto the rim during a puncture repair (sidewall is pliant vv E09/E12). Also looks good for at least 5000km.

E12 on the rear of my 701 is much better on tar/hard pack and pretty damn good in the loose as well. Just don't see it making much more than 3000km though....

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Re: Tyre Choice
« Reply #52 on: March 08, 2019, 06:30:49 pm »
Not sure if I'm that impressed with the rear Motoz Desert....Mate had one fitted to his 690 for a trip to Verneukpan last weekend and he was the only one who collected a puncture  ;). He also bitches about the handling on tar and hard pack dirt - claims it walks around constantly - it's only speed rated to 130km/h. On the plus side it looks awesome  8), has great hook up in the loose and, strangely, is easy to slip off/onto the rim during a puncture repair (sidewall is pliant vv E09/E12). Also looks good for at least 5000km.

E12 on the rear of my 701 is much better on tar/hard pack and pretty damn good in the loose as well. Just don't see it making much more than 3000km though....

Not sure what to fit next.

Barely got much more than 1000km out of my E12 and really have not abused it. I see it as a single day rally tyre - kapiche.  ::)
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Re: Tyre Choice
« Reply #53 on: March 11, 2019, 05:01:54 pm »
My Mitas E12 rear is toast - need to check km's but doubt it is much more than 2000km if that. Was new when I got the bike but a green stripe - WTF? I still have a TKC on the front with some life so may keep that but am going to get a Motoz Tractionator Desert for the rear. I am also keen to fit TuBliss so may do a front as well  - decisions, decisions. I have not heard good things about the Motoz front so will not go that route.
The E-12 was developed for the Dakar and other similar races. Chris Birch won the Hellas rally on the E-12 rear and E-13 front tyres. The green strip actually is representation of the carcase as well as the compound. They lightened the carcase using Kevlar etc which is why it has a green stripe not so much the compound. The E-09 does have a slightly tougher carcase and harder compound thou as we only bring it in the "Dakar" version.
another tyre to consider is the MC23 as it is really well priced making it very good value for money!

Anyone tried one of these? Coming off a D606 and have ordered one. Good value at R1100 (special price) RRP is R1250

I have the dreaded weave at 140km/h so I am going to check everything is lubed,torqued and straight and will also replace the front ASAP (Also a D606)

Not sure what to try on the front
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Re: Tyre Choice
« Reply #54 on: March 11, 2019, 08:47:20 pm »
I am going to fit a Mitas C27 up front on the 701. Been happy with it on the the 610 and is nice and gnarly.
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Re: Tyre Choice
« Reply #55 on: March 12, 2019, 06:06:42 am »
I run a C27 on my 250, my mate has one on his 690. He says its a bit sketchy on wet tar, as in useless :lol8:

I dont like to ride on tar or in the rain so wont experience that  :thumleft:

I think I may try the new E-09 on the front
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Re: Tyre Choice
« Reply #56 on: March 12, 2019, 01:46:46 pm »
I run a C27 on my 250, my mate has one on his 690. He says its a bit sketchy on wet tar, as in useless :lol8:

I dont like to ride on tar or in the rain so wont experience that  :thumleft:

I think I may try the new E-09 on the front

How is the new E09 different to the previosu?  Ja use the C27 also on a 250xcw  :biggrin:  BTW - I generally advice taking it easy on wet tar with knobblies anyway  :imaposer:
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Re: Tyre Choice
« Reply #57 on: March 12, 2019, 03:14:09 pm »
Sorry, I meant the E-13
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Re: Tyre Choice
« Reply #58 on: March 12, 2019, 03:49:11 pm »
Adam, hoeth a poeth ?
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Re: Tyre Choice
« Reply #59 on: March 12, 2019, 04:37:42 pm »
Me, not a plastic one though  :deal:
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