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Offline Roverman

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2010 690 Oil level
« on: November 29, 2018, 06:12:28 pm »
Hi all

Hopefully you guys can help.

Got a 2010 690 Enduro R and cannot see the oil level in the spy glass after getting to running temp. Did filter and oil change last week and put the recommended 1,8l in according to shop manual.

No oil leaks on engine or on bash plate.

Am I missing something got it to running temp and kept it upright off the side stand for 15min no oil in spyglass.

Thanks all.


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Re: 2010 690 Oil level
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2018, 06:44:29 pm »
Could be one of 2 things

1. Too much oil ...the new oil is clean and very difficult to see in the sight glass, especially if it is over full - you can't see a "bubble" so you assume there is not enough oil when in fact it is the opposite

Solution - drain the oil into a clean container and then refill the engine using the same oil while watching the glass closely ...especially when you get to the point that you have poured in 1,5 litres

OR

2. Not enough oil to show in the glass ...

Solution - add more oil

My suggestion would be to drain the oil and refill again to give you peace of mind

I run my bike with oil level just over halfway in the glass when cold and not running  ...as it gets hot it aerates and thins out and the level rises slightly
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Re: 2010 690 Oil level
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2018, 06:46:02 pm »
If one needs to check the oillevel glass whilst the engine is running then that's new to me - for any bike mind.
But hey, maybe you're right.....  :o
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Re: 2010 690 Oil level
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2018, 07:09:31 pm »
@JustBendit thanks for the input will drain and refill the oil used was Motul fully synthetic and is a dark red in color should show up on the glass probably to little oil.


@Burp apologies maybe I didnít explain correctly. What I meant was get the bike to running temperature then switch off the engine and get the bike upright off the side stand for a couple minutes to get the oil to settle.

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Re: 2010 690 Oil level
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2018, 08:03:31 pm »
Add more oil. Had two 690s, both took at least 1.9lt of oil with new filters. Sit next to the bike and hold the bike upright on level floor. Fill untill half of sight glass is levelled.

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Re: 2010 690 Oil level
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2018, 10:55:09 pm »
...get the bike to running temperature then switch off the engine and get the bike upright off the side stand for a couple minutes to get the oil to settle

Ah!
If no oil shows add more until it does.
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Re: 2010 690 Oil level
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2018, 07:56:56 am »
Good Morning All

Ok so I drained the oil and measured approximatley 1.7l that came out. I then refilled with 1.8l and the level was spot on.

@Rascal looks like 1.9l is the correct amount thanks.

Thanks for all the help Dogs.
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Re: 2010 690 Oil level
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2018, 08:04:30 am »
You could've just tilted the bike left or right to see of the oil becomes visible in the sight glass. If over filled, tilt away until you see the level, under filled tilt towards you. Much easier than draining the oil  ;)
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Re: 2010 690 Oil level
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2018, 10:02:54 am »
You could've just tilted the bike left or right to see of the oil becomes visible in the sight glass. If over filled, tilt away until you see the level, under filled tilt towards you. Much easier than draining the oil

Smartass!
Why not let the oke struggle eh?
You should have asked him if he'd let the bike drip oil for at least an hour so as to get a more accurate oil volume!
I could then have replied with the question if his measuring beakers were calibrated, for reason baking equipment (I bet he used such...) is notoriously inaccurate, proven by the massive cumulus clouds over CT recently, on the day when baking spacecakes was declared not-illegal.
Naturally his answer would have been "Hell I dunno.." so we next could have suggested that he'd do it again, however this time crank the engine, after removing the sparkplugs of course, so as to get the very last drop oil oil out of the sump!
Where the fun in just simply tilting the bike eh?
Tsk tsk tsk Dwerg, and that on a Friday nogals, I'm sure Roverman will have the afternoon off!
Sorry Roverman, for leaving your afternoon entirely open for riding, my sincerest apologies also on behalf of Dwerg!
But done's done, go ride maar lekker.


PS: you did use new washers on the sumpplug did you?
NO?
Aiaiaiaiai......  :imaposer:

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Re: 2010 690 Oil level
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2018, 10:05:58 am »
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It is a 690 so it's also entirely possible that it burned the oil while warming up the engine. Best do a compression test
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Re: 2010 690 Oil level
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2018, 10:26:44 am »
Now that's more like it Dwerg!  :thumleft:

Roverman, Dwerg has a seriously valid point there, but I have another one, as I just re-read your epistles.
You mentioned "running temperature" : what is that?

Let me tell you you'll have to do it all over again.
'Running Temp' is NOT when the coolant is warm or hot, also not when the fan kicked in and went off again, oh No Sir!
Technically more correct is the phrase "Operating Temperature", and this is when the oil reaches around 100C - and yes, 'around' is correct, everyone deserves some leeway, even you  :P
So, by now you'll understand that your afternoon, a Friday-one nogal, is buggered.
Yes you'll have to go ride, but only to heat up all that's important engine wise.
Then do all this very quick so as not to cause the various temperatures to fall too much:
- drain the oil (refer the hour-minimum mentioned above)
- remove both sparkplugs and crank the engine for some 30 minutes in a forward direction (rotate the rear wheel is generally suggested for such)
- pour the drained oil in a SABS-calibrated measuring beaker placed on a spirit-levelled horizontal surface until the very last drop has fallen (this will be at least until midnight I'm afraid)
- then measure the total oil quantity
If that is less than 1.9L you know it was not enough: this knowledge will be a massive relief to you, and here a beer will be allowed.
Then get rid of the used oil in a responsible way, close the engine using new washers & O-rings etc, top the engine up with fresh oil (qty 1.9L) and go for a testride..... however, by now it will be around 3AM, so perhaps delay your primal urges and go to sleep so as to keep peace with your neighbours.

Glad I could help, hope you'll have a fine Saturday as your Friday is now officially farged  :P


PS: do NOT, under NO circumstances, tilt the bike at any time!
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Re: 2010 690 Oil level
« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2018, 10:54:10 am »
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Nice guys wish I worked in a lab and had all the time suggested below just came back from an awesome ride sitting by my bar having a nice cold one Oil level is just right.

@BuRP New washer was used have a couple hundred of them. Same as my 200 and 350.

@Dwerg "It is a 690 so it's also entirely possible that it burned the oil while warming up the engine. Best do a compression test" I am sure that will be a possibility in the near future this 690 has a tough life for now compression is good checked that last month.

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Re: 2010 690 Oil level
« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2018, 10:59:27 am »
I am sure that will be a possibility in the near future this 690 has a tough life for now compression is good checked that last month.

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High mileage or just general tough use? Mine has also seen a bit of abuse but runs like a clock  :thumleft:
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Re: 2010 690 Oil level
« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2018, 11:17:45 am »
... just came back from an awesome ride ...

WHAT?
It's just past 11 in the morning, and you come back from a ride?
I'm at work, sweating the boss's whip, in a damp underground windowless bunker with sewerage precipitating through the concrete ceiling wherefrom my screams will not be heard anywhere outside....  :-[
I now officially hate you Roverman, you lucky lucky lucky baastid!
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Have a lekker Friday to all!  :thumleft:
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Re: 2010 690 Oil level
« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2018, 12:02:37 pm »
I am sure that will be a possibility in the near future this 690 has a tough life for now compression is good checked that last month.

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High mileage or just general tough use? Mine has also seen a bit of abuse but runs like a clock  :thumleft:

A bit of both almost 30k on the clock doesn't skip a beat. its a bit of a hooligan bike doesnt seem to like just putting around.
 

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Re: 2010 690 Oil level
« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2018, 12:04:25 pm »
... just came back from an awesome ride ...

WHAT?
It's just past 11 in the morning, and you come back from a ride?
I'm at work, sweating the boss's whip, in a damp underground windowless bunker with sewerage precipitating through the concrete ceiling wherefrom my screams will not be heard anywhere outside....  :-[
I now officially hate you Roverman, you lucky lucky lucky baastid!
 :P

Its Cape Town Fridays are pointless here for work that is. So every 2nd Friday is a day off for me.


Have a lekker Friday to all!  :thumleft: