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Re: It seems that a neck brace does save necks.
« Reply #80 on: August 22, 2019, 08:29:56 am »

Dr Chris Leatt is a known scamster and was already found to be guilty of fraud


I don't see what that has to do with this; the only fraud committed related to neck braces was against Leatt, in copy right infringements.

except that time he defrauded the medical aid schemes, got caught and found guilty. Might influence why he went from practicing GP to billionaire bike accessory guy. Speaks about the character of the person, he was willing to put profit above honesty.

edit: link for lazy https://www.insurance-times.net/article/fraud-doctors-being-tackled

I still don't see what this has to do with the topic

Would you invest your money with a guy that has had a few dishonest dealings before?

Why would you trust him on what is good for you, or not?

Just a trust issue.
 

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Re: It seems that a neck brace does save necks.
« Reply #81 on: August 22, 2019, 08:38:14 am »

Dr Chris Leatt is a known scamster and was already found to be guilty of fraud


I don't see what that has to do with this; the only fraud committed related to neck braces was against Leatt, in copy right infringements.

except that time he defrauded the medical aid schemes, got caught and found guilty. Might influence why he went from practicing GP to billionaire bike accessory guy. Speaks about the character of the person, he was willing to put profit above honesty.

edit: link for lazy https://www.insurance-times.net/article/fraud-doctors-being-tackled

I still don't see what this has to do with the topic

Would you invest your money with a guy that has had a few dishonest dealings before?

Why would you trust him on what is good for you, or not?

Just a trust issue.

No Dan I would not invest money with a dishonest guy and did not when the offer was made.
I do not see buying a revolutionary product, which has potential to save my live, as investing with a dishonest guy, regardless of the inventor's history.
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Re: It seems that a neck brace does save necks.
« Reply #82 on: August 22, 2019, 08:54:04 am »
I was just pointing out the fact that I would be a bit dubious if a dishonest guy approached me with a "revolutionary product with the potential to save my life".
 

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Re: It seems that a neck brace does save necks.
« Reply #83 on: August 22, 2019, 08:57:00 am »
I was just pointing out the fact that I would be a bit dubious if a dishonest guy approached me with a "revolutionary product with the potential to save my life".

Fair point
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Re: It seems that a neck brace does save necks.
« Reply #84 on: August 22, 2019, 02:02:23 pm »

Your last sentence is exactly why I have a problem with a neckbrace, of any manufacturer.  In a perfect type of accident, possible the neckbrace can avoid over-compression of the vertebrae.

But, in my opinion, the neckbrace will much sooner cause the head to be levered even further out than it would have, by having the brace act as a fulcrum to lever the hemet over,

over-extending the neck and breaking it.

Comparisons between safety features such as seatbelts and the Hans device is just too fat outside the world of a motorcycle to have any reference and/or relevance. On a motorcycle you go flying, and in a car it is vital to be restrained in the vehicle. Different worlds.

I only bought up the Hans device as a comparison to the negativity against it, when it was launched and dont mean to compare the two except that the Hans device stops the head from movement as it is connected to the helmet, whereas the motorbike neck brace doesnt.

The leverage or fulcrum effect that may or may not be caused, is why I am battling to make up my mind and spend the money. My logic says that the injuries from the fulcrum effect may actually increase the chance of injury.
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Re: It seems that a neck brace does save necks.
« Reply #85 on: August 22, 2019, 02:58:32 pm »
Do a simple exercise ...stand on a fairly tall step/chair and jump off wearing your helmet to land quite hard,try with and and without the neck brace.With the brace is actually quite painful!
This was one of many tests one in the report I had read but cannot find again which was very damming regarding a neck brace !
Anyway yes a few years ago it was all the rage(as were kidney belts once upon a time) but they too dont assist at all and have slowly fallen out of favour
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Re: It seems that a neck brace does save necks.
« Reply #86 on: August 22, 2019, 03:38:16 pm »
Shit....Honestly I didnt know that kidney belts werent used anymore. I used to do the enduro's and a bit of motorcross with one.......not even that long ago. (15 to 20 years)
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Re: It seems that a neck brace does save necks.
« Reply #87 on: August 22, 2019, 05:27:15 pm »
Shit....Honestly I didnt know that kidney belts werent used anymore. I used to do the enduro's and a bit of motorcross with one.......not even that long ago. (15 to 20 years)

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Re: It seems that a neck brace does save necks.
« Reply #88 on: August 22, 2019, 11:17:45 pm »
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Re: It seems that a neck brace does save necks.
« Reply #89 on: August 23, 2019, 07:00:05 am »
Surely he didn't jump off a stepladder, wearing a helmet, and land on his feet? And then do the same with a brace?

Am I the only one who sees the futility in this type of test .................................... :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
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Re: It seems that a neck brace does save necks.
« Reply #90 on: August 23, 2019, 07:07:55 am »
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Re: It seems that a neck brace does save necks.
« Reply #91 on: August 23, 2019, 07:24:14 am »
Surely he didn't jump off a stepladder, wearing a helmet, and land on his feet? And then do the same with a brace?

Am I the only one who sees the futility in this type of test .................................... :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:

Think about it. If this device hurt when you jump from a height of half a meter, it may well inflict very serious business if you increase that test-force by manyfold, as in the case of a crash.
 

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Re: It seems that a neck brace does save necks.
« Reply #92 on: August 23, 2019, 07:28:00 pm »
Surely he didn't jump off a stepladder, wearing a helmet, and land on his feet? And then do the same with a brace?

Am I the only one who sees the futility in this type of test .................................... :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:

Think about it. If this device hurt when you jump from a height of half a meter, it may well inflict very serious business if you increase that test-force by manyfold, as in the case of a crash.

Like you, when I fall off bikes and land on my feet, my legs snap.
Next time I'll wear a brace and see ...............  maybe a bruise on my shoulder will distract me from a broken leg.
You never know, maybe if you wear the brace, you'll still be able to walk .............  :thumleft:
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Re: It seems that a neck brace does save necks.
« Reply #93 on: August 23, 2019, 07:32:04 pm »
AND, come to think of it ....................... I climb up and down ladders every day without the neck brace.
And never had a neck injury.
So, obvioulsy, not wearing one has saved my life.

Thanks guys, you have made me see the errors of my ways .......................... anyone wanna buy an almost new neck brace? Never  been in a crash  :thumleft:
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Re: It seems that a neck brace does save necks.
« Reply #94 on: August 23, 2019, 08:46:22 pm »
AND, come to think of it ....................... I climb up and down ladders every day without the neck brace.
And never had a neck injury.
So, obvioulsy, not wearing one has saved my life.

Thanks guys, you have made me see the errors of my ways .......................... anyone wanna buy an almost new neck brace? Never  been in a crash  :thumleft:

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« Reply #95 on: August 24, 2019, 09:53:04 am »
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Re: It seems that a neck brace does save necks.
« Reply #96 on: August 24, 2019, 10:09:50 am »
AND, come to think of it ....................... I climb up and down ladders every day without the neck brace.
And never had a neck injury.
So, obvioulsy, not wearing one has saved my life.

Thanks guys, you have made me see the errors of my ways .......................... anyone wanna buy an almost new neck brace? Never  been in a crash  :thumleft:

I also have one for sale.....will include photos of me on a ladder jumping off and crawling away with broken leg.... :imaposer: :imaposer:
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Re: It seems that a neck brace does save necks.
« Reply #97 on: August 24, 2019, 12:25:43 pm »
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Re: It seems that a neck brace does save necks.
« Reply #98 on: August 24, 2019, 04:45:12 pm »
AND, come to think of it ....................... I climb up and down ladders every day without the neck brace.
And never had a neck injury.
So, obvioulsy, not wearing one has saved my life.

Thanks guys, you have made me see the errors of my ways .......................... anyone wanna buy an almost new neck brace? Never  been in a crash  :thumleft:

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Re: It seems that a neck brace does save necks.
« Reply #99 on: August 24, 2019, 06:07:23 pm »
Was said in jest, brucet ...........  :biggrin:
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