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Re: Driving with numberplate not visible ???
« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2018, 07:12:51 pm »
My own experience is that a perspex plate gets covered easier  with dirt   when riding gravel .

I don't really think this this would be too much of an issue

Apologize while wiping off the mud; no way they can prove you did not pick it up whilst riding that day  :thumleft:

I guess if your bike is clean barring the license plate....that might be a more complicated issue to explain. :scratch:
I seldom wash my bike... usually only before a major service... :sip:
 

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Re: Driving with numberplate not visible ???
« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2018, 08:38:11 pm »
My own experience is that a perspex plate gets covered easier  with dirt   when riding gravel .

I don't really think this this would be too much of an issue

Apologize while wiping off the mud; no way they can prove you did not pick it up whilst riding that day  :thumleft:

I guess if your bike is clean barring the license plate....that might be a more complicated issue to explain. :scratch:
I seldom wash my bike... usually only before a major service... :sip:
Nah, I let them wash it for me after the service

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Re: Driving with numberplate not visible ???
« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2018, 08:50:35 pm »
 :sip: You guys ever heard of the requirement of the plate must be riveted on?  :bueller:
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Re: Driving with numberplate not visible ???
« Reply #23 on: December 21, 2018, 07:49:41 am »
My own experience is that a perspex plate gets covered easier  with dirt   when riding gravel .

I don't really think this this would be too much of an issue

Apologize while wiping off the mud; no way they can prove you did not pick it up whilst riding that day  :thumleft:

I guess if your bike is clean barring the license plate....that might be a more complicated issue to explain. :scratch:

Janee.  Rest of bike clean enough to eat off, but number plate covered in mud, so hard you have to chisel it off.  If I was the cop I'd lock you up for "thinking I am an idiot".
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Re: Driving with numberplate not visible ???
« Reply #24 on: December 21, 2018, 08:31:41 am »
Moet n bike n nr plaat op he  :o
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Re: Driving with numberplate not visible ???
« Reply #25 on: December 21, 2018, 09:16:18 am »
My own experience is that a perspex plate gets covered easier  with dirt   when riding gravel .

I don't really think this this would be too much of an issue

Apologize while wiping off the mud; no way they can prove you did not pick it up whilst riding that day  :thumleft:

I guess if your bike is clean barring the license plate....that might be a more complicated issue to explain. :scratch:
I seldom wash my bike... usually only before a major service... :sip:
Nah, I let them wash it for me after the service

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Re: Driving with numberplate not visible ???
« Reply #26 on: December 21, 2018, 03:48:38 pm »
My own experience is that a perspex plate gets covered easier  with dirt   when riding gravel .

I don't really think this this would be too much of an issue

Apologize while wiping off the mud; no way they can prove you did not pick it up whilst riding that day  :thumleft:

I guess if your bike is clean barring the license plate....that might be a more complicated issue to explain. :scratch:
I seldom wash my bike... usually only before a major service... :sip:
Nah, I let them wash it for me after the service

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There is no "them" when I service my bike... :sip:


'zactly. Nor when I wash my bike.
 

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Re: Driving with numberplate not visible ???
« Reply #27 on: December 22, 2018, 12:51:14 pm »
Personally I do not have experience with number plate issues on the bike but drove down the Garden Route a few years ago with mountain bikes on the back of the car and was fined R500 due to them obscuring the rear number plate of the car.
:sip: You guys ever heard of the requirement of the plate must be riveted on?  :bueller:
As far as I know it has to be riveted.
 I don't know what the issue is with a number plate. So much less hassle to have it on. Most speed camera I have seen are set up to take the front picture. Not paying the fine will not make it go away. It will stay on the system for a couple of years until there is some interest and penalties added,then when you want to take out a disc you get a nice surprise....

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Re: Driving with numberplate not visible ???
« Reply #28 on: December 22, 2018, 04:19:19 pm »
OK and just to mix it up some more  :lol8: ... what would the fine be for an illegal size plate? Have used them for years (after melting a few) without a problem but know some get nailed in Zilleland etc. ... while here in the Wild East Cape, well it is mostly wild.
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Re: Driving with numberplate not visible ???
« Reply #29 on: December 22, 2018, 05:21:32 pm »
Good question ................... will I get nabbed in WC if I ride around there with my undersized GP plate? Or do you only bother about your own?
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Re: Driving with numberplate not visible ???
« Reply #30 on: December 22, 2018, 05:26:40 pm »
OK and just to mix it up some more  :lol8: ... what would the fine be for an illegal size plate? Have used them for years (after melting a few) without a problem but know some get nailed in Zilleland etc. ... while here in the Wild East Cape, well it is mostly wild.

R1000.  They are not just illegal sized, they also do not carry the SABS standard. 


Good question ................... will I get nabbed in WC if I ride around there with my undersized GP plate? Or do you only bother about your own?

The rules of the road is the National Road Traffic Act, so not provincial. 

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Re: Driving with numberplate not visible ???
« Reply #31 on: December 22, 2018, 06:03:26 pm »
OK and just to mix it up some more  :lol8: ... what would the fine be for an illegal size plate? Have used them for years (after melting a few) without a problem but know some get nailed in Zilleland etc. ... while here in the Wild East Cape, well it is mostly wild.

R1000.  They are not just illegal sized, they also do not carry the SABS standard. 


Good question ................... will I get nabbed in WC if I ride around there with my undersized GP plate? Or do you only bother about your own?

The rules of the road is the National Road Traffic Act, so not provincial.

True but provinces have problems persuing their tickets and handing over summonses in other provinces ...
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Re: Driving with numberplate not visible ???
« Reply #32 on: December 22, 2018, 06:34:36 pm »
OK and just to mix it up some more  :lol8: ... what would the fine be for an illegal size plate? Have used them for years (after melting a few) without a problem but know some get nailed in Zilleland etc. ... while here in the Wild East Cape, well it is mostly wild.

R1000.  They are not just illegal sized, they also do not carry the SABS standard. 


Good question ................... will I get nabbed in WC if I ride around there with my undersized GP plate? Or do you only bother about your own?

The rules of the road is the National Road Traffic Act, so not provincial.

True but provinces have problems persuing their tickets and handing over summonses in other provinces ...

Yeah.  We know how we struggle with basic services in SA.
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Re: Driving with numberplate not visible ???
« Reply #33 on: December 22, 2018, 07:37:57 pm »
according to AARTO:

1231   Motor cycle, motor tricycle or motor quadrucycle without a number plate affixed to the back of the vehicle  - Reg. 35(7)(e)    I    500   1

which means it's a transgression with a R500 fine and not a criminal offence


further

1214   Vehicle with licence numbers which were in any way obscured or had become illegible  - Reg. 35(6)(b)    O    0   6

which means "If the fine value is 0 and the I/O reads "O" then this is a criminal offence and no fine has been set for this offence. It requires a court appearance.
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Re: Driving with numberplate not visible ???
« Reply #34 on: December 22, 2018, 07:52:47 pm »
Personally I do not have experience with number plate issues on the bike but drove down the Garden Route a few years ago with mountain bikes on the back of the car and was fined R500 due to them obscuring the rear number plate of the car.
:sip: You guys ever heard of the requirement of the plate must be riveted on?  :bueller:
As far as I know it has to be riveted.
 I don't know what the issue is with a number plate. So much less hassle to have it on. Most speed camera I have seen are set up to take the front picture. Not paying the fine will not make it go away. It will stay on the system for a couple of years until there is some interest and penalties added,then when you want to take out a disc you get a nice surprise....

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Not if the veichle was bought pre the regulation... :sip:
 

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Re: Driving with numberplate not visible ???
« Reply #35 on: December 22, 2018, 08:09:22 pm »
Not if the veichle was bought pre the regulation... :sip:

got this somewhere else:

""Permanent plates will combat crime' - RMI - July 13, 2007

South Africa's Retail Motor Industry organisation (RMI) says permanent fixing of number plates will help to combat vehicle crime.

Changes in South Africa's Road Traffic Act will make it compulsory from January 2009 to fix number plates to vehicles with "ne-way" security screws or pop rivets but the RMI intends to lobby for earlier implementation of the new law.

It says the permanent fixing of plates will play a significant role in combating vehicle crime and bring South Africa into line with other countries where similar laws are enforced.

RMI spokesman Giel Steyn said: "We need the co-operation of all those involved - especially motor dealers - to drive the initiative

The new law stipulates that number plates must be fixed at all corners to a permanent part of the vehicle
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"Dealers will be acting in the best interests of customers by immediately promoting permanent mounting."

The new law - passed on May 4 - stipulates that plates must be fixed at each corners to a permanent part of the vehicle by one-way security screws or pop rivets of least 4mm diameter.

The holes for the screws or rivets must be not more than 20mm from the edges at the corners of the plate and care must be taken to ensure that characters are not damaged when drilling or partially obscured by screws or rivets.

Steyn said: "Mounting plates with double-sided tape or clip-in holders will no longer comply with the Road Traffic Act."

Under the new law, the size of plates will be standardised from January 1, 2010

We are convinced the number plate industry will readily accommodate dealers and consumers
. Front plates will be 520 x 113mm with characters 75mm high; the same size will be required at the rear. Vertical plates will be 250 x 205mm, also with characters 75mm high.

In exceptional cases where the mounting space is less than 205mm plates measuring 250mm by 160mm will be allowed.

Only one size of number plate will be allowed for motorcycles 250 x 165mm with 60mm characters and similar fixing regulations apply.

Steyn said the RMI recommended these standard sizes be phased-in now, before the law makes them compulsory.

He added: "We're convinced the number plate industry will readily accommodate dealers and the public by supplying pre-drilled or pre-marked number plates, along with the required fasteners."

He also recommended stamped aluminium plates since the plastic equivalents were easily destroyed by fire. In either case, the plate must carry an SABS certification mark.

He advised: "Only use daisy-type pop rivets on plastic materials; use a bit of silicone to seal holes to prevent corrosion between the number plate and the vehicle's bumper or bodywork."
 

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Re: Driving with numberplate not visible ???
« Reply #36 on: December 22, 2018, 08:12:44 pm »
Kak... my experience is that plates can be removed very easily, the mounting plate often is fixed to the veichle with PLASTIC nuts... go figure...  :eek7:
It is a money making venture imho. :biggrin:
 

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Re: Driving with numberplate not visible ???
« Reply #37 on: December 22, 2018, 08:29:46 pm »
Why would you want to drive or ride without a number plate...?
 

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Re: Driving with numberplate not visible ???
« Reply #38 on: December 22, 2018, 08:32:00 pm »
Kak... my experience is that plates can be removed very easily, the mounting plate often is fixed to the veichle with PLASTIC nuts... go figure...  :eek7:
It is a money making venture imho. :biggrin:
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Re: Driving with numberplate not visible ???
« Reply #39 on: December 22, 2018, 10:09:47 pm »
Why would you want to drive or ride without a number plate...?

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