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Offline Jacobsroodt

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What is it with KTM?
« on: February 04, 2019, 05:17:27 pm »
So many model changes?
Just when the 1090 Adv settles in KTM is replacing it with a 1150. This after they ousted the 1050 to replace the 1190,  because it was too close to the 1290! The 1150 repleaces the 1090 because it will be too close to the 790!!!
Have they gone completely bonkers?
Which is most probably the reason why I haven't moved to the dark side yet. Just when you warm up to a model it is discontinued, leaving the innocent bystander in a model void, wondering what has just happened.
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Re: What is it with KTM?
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2019, 05:26:47 pm »
Ok.
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Re: What is it with KTM?
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2019, 05:37:49 pm »
So many model changes?
Just when the 1090 Adv settles in KTM is replacing it with a 1150. This after they ousted the 1050 to replace the 1190,  because it was too close to the 1290! The 1150 repleaces the 1090 because it will be too close to the 790!!!
Have they gone completely bonkers?
Which is most probably the reason why I haven't moved to the dark side yet. Just when you warm up to a model it is discontinued, leaving the innocent bystander in a model void, wondering what has just happened.

The dark side will be fine without you, the waiting list for the new 790 is very, very long.
 

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Re: What is it with KTM?
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2019, 06:44:22 pm »
So wat gaan jy nou met jou 800 GS doen?
850 sticker opsit?
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Re: What is it with KTM?
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2019, 06:56:17 pm »
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Re: What is it with KTM?
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2019, 07:51:37 pm »
So wat gaan jy nou met jou 800 GS doen?
850 sticker opsit?
Don't be so honest :pot: :peepwall:
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Re: What is it with KTM?
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2019, 07:54:15 pm »
So wat gaan jy nou met jou 800 GS doen?
850 sticker opsit?

En n' booster plug.. :thumleft:
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Re: What is it with KTM?
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2019, 07:59:13 am »
En ek ken 'n stickersmous.
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Re: What is it with KTM?
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2019, 01:08:05 pm »
So no one is phased by the frequent KTM model changes then?
One could have ridden an F800GS for 10 years before a model change, an air cooled R1200GS could be had for 8 years from '04-'12, and the LC for 6 years from '13 -'19.
As opposed to that the KTM 950 lasted for 3 years ('03-06), and the 990 for 4 years (07-11) leaving adventure riders in the void before introducing the 1190 in 2013 to run till 2016 only.

This is not a BMW vs KTM debate, but about poor market strategy. Certain car manufacturers change their models every 3 years as well. In the bike market, it has implications for the development and availability of aftermarket accessories, parts availability and the opportunity to build a fair reputation.  Now spares have to be ordered from abroad using a VIN No. You basically have one year in which to buy new: first, wait for the new stock to become readily available - it takes a year - and just as a buyer has made a buy decision the new model is announced, meaning that you are buying an outdated machine.
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Re: What is it with KTM?
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2019, 01:11:50 pm »
Well, they stick to one color usually, so that means they can change as soon as the pot of paint is empty. Not so easy if you sell your bike in 5 different schemes.
 

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Re: What is it with KTM?
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2019, 01:13:21 pm »
meaning that you are buying an outdated machine.

Even an outdated KTM is better than a new BMW.


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Re: What is it with KTM?
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2019, 01:26:35 pm »
So no one is phased by the frequent KTM model changes then?
One could have ridden an F800GS for 10 years before a model change, an air cooled R1200GS could be had for 8 years from '04-'12, and the LC for 6 years from '13 -'19.
As opposed to that the KTM 950 lasted for 3 years ('03-06), and the 990 for 4 years (07-11) leaving adventure riders in the void before introducing the 1190 in 2013 to run till 2016 only.

This is not a BMW vs KTM debate, but about poor market strategy. Certain car manufacturers change their models every 3 years as well. In the bike market, it has implications for the development and availability of aftermarket accessories, parts availability and the opportunity to build a fair reputation.  Now spares have to be ordered from abroad using a VIN No. You basically have one year in which to buy new: first, wait for the new stock to become readily available - it takes a year - and just as a buyer has made a buy decision the new model is announced, meaning that you are buying an outdated machine.



Thatís not entirely true...

950/990 accessories are mostly interchangeable. Engine and cosmetic upgrades had very little influence on compatibility of aftermarket accessories

BMW went through engine changes and several cosmetic upgrades during the 8 years, although it was still called a 1200GS throughout.

KTM 1190, 1090, 1050, 1290 all share basic chassis and accessories are mostly interchangeable.


So is your gripe with development or frequent changes in model names?
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Re: What is it with KTM?
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2019, 01:37:51 pm »
meaning that you are buying an outdated machine.

Even an outdated KTM is better than a new BMW.
Like I said, This is not a BMW vs KTM debate, but about poor market strategy...
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Re: What is it with KTM?
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2019, 01:43:00 pm »
And here I am upset with the rapid pace the XR 500R changed to the XR 650 L!!!
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Re: What is it with KTM?
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2019, 01:45:03 pm »
Well, they stick to one color usually, so that means they can change as soon as the pot of paint is empty. Not so easy if you sell your bike in 5 different schemes.

Very pragmatic  :thumleft:
 

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Re: What is it with KTM?
« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2019, 01:46:26 pm »
I actually agree with Roodt - the KTM strategy on models and their launch and life, seems a bit muddled

that said, I mostly replace my bikes after 2 or 3 years for an upgrade, but have now owned my 2015 1290T for nearly 4 years and simply love it and am not aware of a bike that I would like more, to replace it with
 

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Re: What is it with KTM?
« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2019, 02:04:53 pm »
I don't know what you guys are talking about. KTM have had the same motor since the 90s, the LC8 V twin (1992). Or an LC4 single cylinder (1997 in the 640, but originated as far back as 1987). Both engines are essentially still the same but with small reliability and performance improvements over time. Both originating from race ready requirement specifications and they stick with a winning formula. Only recently has the KTM paddock brought in a new engine - the 790 parallel twin.

But KTM are not that clever. They learnt this strategy from BMW who are still selling motorcycles with the same WWI aircraft engine (with slight improvements over time), and they also introduced a single and a parallel twin. Except that the other BMW engines are designed and built outside of BMW (rotax, et al) . It seems that the Germans ran out of ingenuity after designing the boxer motor.

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Re: What is it with KTM?
« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2019, 02:11:48 pm »
I actually agree with Roodt - the KTM strategy on models and their launch and life, seems a bit muddled

that said, I mostly replace my bikes after 2 or 3 years for an upgrade, but have now owned my 2015 1290T for nearly 4 years and simply love it and am not aware of a bike that I would like more, to replace it with

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Re: What is it with KTM?
« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2019, 03:33:27 pm »
I actually agree with Roodt - the KTM strategy on models and their launch and life, seems a bit muddled

that said, I mostly replace my bikes after 2 or 3 years for an upgrade, but have now owned my 2015 1290T for nearly 4 years and simply love it and am not aware of a bike that I would like more, to replace it with

2020 SAR looks interesting.

I ride 95% tar and like the large fuel tank and e-suspension, so I don't think I'll be interested - if they decide to re-launch the 1290 tourer, I'll buy the launch model again, if not, my bike is still 100% and a wild beast ;D
 

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Re: What is it with KTM?
« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2019, 03:50:22 pm »


European's leading motorbike maker, KTM, booked record profits last year as it lifted sales and expanded its market share, according to preliminary figures obtained by AFP on Tuesday.

KTM, based in Mattighofen close to the German border, said its net profit climbed by 28 percent to 108 million euros ($124 million) in 2018 as unit sales jumped by 10 percent to 261,454 motorcycles.

Turnover edged up by two percent to 1.56 billion euros.

And the group, whose brands include KTM and Husqvarna, said its market share grew to 11.7 percent from 8.9 percent.

KTM said it is targeting annual sales of 400,000 units by 2022, which would represent an increase of 50 percent over the 2018 figures, with growth coming from emerging economies such as India.


Not sure KTM is too worried about poor marketing strategies........... ;)
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