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Re: Load shedding and the economy
« Reply #80 on: March 28, 2019, 11:11:57 am »
oh ok I hear you, I feel sorry for the guys buying in new developments near me, they are paying on prepaid which is the biggest rip off known to man. Some folks are paying R1500 a month in a tiny apartment and from what i'm hearing some people are paying even higher.



Well it seems to have been a fantastic recovery for Eskom, after getting their big increase the lights are on and staying on... I wonder if there will be any cuts this winter

AFAIK pre-paid costs the same as post-paid, at least in Tshwane it does

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Re: Load shedding and the economy
« Reply #81 on: March 28, 2019, 11:14:01 am »
AFAIK pre-paid costs the same as post-paid, at least in Tshwane it does

don't fuck up a good story with the truth...

 :lol8:  you're on a roll again today  :lol8:  liked your post about white and right handed  :imaposer:

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Re: Load shedding and the economy
« Reply #82 on: March 28, 2019, 11:24:24 am »
:lol8:  you're on a roll again today  :lol8:  liked your post about white and right handed  :imaposer:

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Re: Load shedding and the economy
« Reply #83 on: March 28, 2019, 12:00:47 pm »
AFAIK pre-paid costs the same as post-paid, at least in Tshwane it does

don't fuck up a good story with the truth...

 :lol8:  you're on a roll again today  :lol8:  liked your post about white and right handed  :imaposer:

I thought that was really kak.  He shot be shot for making that post.  At least taken to Human Rights Court.  Me being left handed and all.
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Re: Load shedding and the economy
« Reply #84 on: March 28, 2019, 03:38:29 pm »
:lol8:  you're on a roll again today  :lol8:  liked your post about white and right handed  :imaposer:

kak.
i just checked.
i am on 108 likes in total,  and NOBODY liked that post.

look again!  ;) :biggrin:


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Re: Load shedding and the economy
« Reply #85 on: March 28, 2019, 03:39:53 pm »
AFAIK pre-paid costs the same as post-paid, at least in Tshwane it does

don't fuck up a good story with the truth...

 :lol8:  you're on a roll again today  :lol8:  liked your post about white and right handed  :imaposer:

I thought that was really kak.  He shot be shot for making that post.  At least taken to Human Rights Court.  Me being left handed and all.


hmmmmm  :deal: :biggrin:

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Re: Load shedding and the economy
« Reply #86 on: March 28, 2019, 03:48:58 pm »
oh ok I hear you, I feel sorry for the guys buying in new developments near me, they are paying on prepaid which is the biggest rip off known to man. Some folks are paying R1500 a month in a tiny apartment and from what i'm hearing some people are paying even higher.



Well it seems to have been a fantastic recovery for Eskom, after getting their big increase the lights are on and staying on... I wonder if there will be any cuts this winter

AFAIK pre-paid costs the same as post-paid, at least in Tshwane it does

Pre paid here seems to differ depending on who the pre paid meters are supplied by,  also depends on how many units you buy, the date in the month you buy also makes a difference

The issues seem to be in the new developments , I belong to a few body corporates and the variance in electricity price is sometimes scary
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Re: Load shedding and the economy
« Reply #87 on: March 28, 2019, 05:01:52 pm »
oh ok I hear you, I feel sorry for the guys buying in new developments near me, they are paying on prepaid which is the biggest rip off known to man. Some folks are paying R1500 a month in a tiny apartment and from what i'm hearing some people are paying even higher.



Well it seems to have been a fantastic recovery for Eskom, after getting their big increase the lights are on and staying on... I wonder if there will be any cuts this winter

AFAIK pre-paid costs the same as post-paid, at least in Tshwane it does

Pre paid here seems to differ depending on who the pre paid meters are supplied by,  also depends on how many units you buy, the date in the month you buy also makes a difference

The issues seem to be in the new developments , I belong to a few body corporates and the variance in electricity price is sometimes scary

most councils have block tariffs for electricity and water - below is the one Tshwane uses for both pre- and post-paid - very few people on facebook seem grasp it and are forever complaining when they buy for the 2nd time in a month


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Re: Load shedding and the economy
« Reply #88 on: March 28, 2019, 07:29:38 pm »
That water table makes no sense to me ?
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Re: Load shedding and the economy
« Reply #89 on: March 28, 2019, 08:12:25 pm »
That water table makes no sense to me ?

why?

edit: ignore the 200kl/day - I didn't even see it  ;D  it should obviously read 200l/day
and I realise the steps have an unknown jump of 1kl....... pen pushers!
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Re: Load shedding and the economy
« Reply #90 on: March 28, 2019, 10:15:53 pm »
The sliding scale logic fails when the period dont get read in 30d cycles and when usage gets estimate.  Estimations is always higher, which pushes one into a higher scale.  Next month’s correction does not cater for this.

You cant use a sliding scale if you dont measure in exact 30d cycles or use estimations.
 
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Re: Load shedding and the economy
« Reply #91 on: March 28, 2019, 10:40:02 pm »
The sliding scale logic fails when the period dont get read in 30d cycles and when usage gets estimate.  Estimations is always higher, which pushes one into a higher scale.  Next month’s correction does not cater for this.

You cant use a sliding scale if you dont measure in exact 30d cycles or use estimations.
if you're billed 12 times per year, there's no massive difference - what you lose in the over readings, you gain in the next reduced readings

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Re: Load shedding and the economy
« Reply #92 on: March 28, 2019, 10:47:39 pm »
So you agree the figures will be wrong, you are saying it will not be wrong by much?
 

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Re: Load shedding and the economy
« Reply #93 on: March 28, 2019, 11:48:10 pm »
From 11 April we face drastic power cuts again locally. Electricity is sold by the municipality via prepaid meters, so all electricity is paid for prior to it being loaded onto your meter. The money however was not paid over to Eskom with the result of them being in arrears to the tune of around R85 mil.
From 11 April our power will now be cut by Eskom for up to 14 hours a day, while we, the consumer, has paid our dues in full. There will be many unhappy people, you might even see us on the news.
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Re: Load shedding and the economy
« Reply #94 on: March 29, 2019, 07:31:27 am »
Source?
 

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Re: Load shedding and the economy
« Reply #95 on: March 29, 2019, 07:35:46 am »
Source?
Are you refering to my post? If so, leaflets, municipal communication and newspaper articles. Will see if I can post it
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Re: Load shedding and the economy
« Reply #96 on: March 29, 2019, 09:30:08 am »
oh ok I hear you, I feel sorry for the guys buying in new developments near me, they are paying on prepaid which is the biggest rip off known to man. Some folks are paying R1500 a month in a tiny apartment and from what i'm hearing some people are paying even higher.



Well it seems to have been a fantastic recovery for Eskom, after getting their big increase the lights are on and staying on... I wonder if there will be any cuts this winter

AFAIK pre-paid costs the same as post-paid, at least in Tshwane it does

Pre paid here seems to differ depending on who the pre paid meters are supplied by,  also depends on how many units you buy, the date in the month you buy also makes a difference

The issues seem to be in the new developments , I belong to a few body corporates and the variance in electricity price is sometimes scary

most councils have block tariffs for electricity and water - below is the one Tshwane uses for both pre- and post-paid - very few people on facebook seem grasp it and are forever complaining when they buy for the 2nd time in a month

Im not surprised that people get confused

If i look at Eskoms billing for example. I have a house in the suburbs, my Network Capacity charge is R85 a month or about R3 a day another house I own about 8km away is R275.39 per month, the only difference between the 2 houses is one is in a security complex, I cant even figure out how the network charges work.

All i know is that here in the Cape it seems to differ drastically , If i ever figure it out ill let you know

At the end of the day I still think our electricity is fairly cheap compared to the rest of the world , my house with a borehole and swimming pool with a granny flat only uses about R200 - R250 a week in electricity.
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Re: Load shedding and the economy
« Reply #97 on: March 29, 2019, 10:14:32 am »
So you agree the figures will be wrong, you are saying it will not be wrong by much?

good question, when I have a bit of time, I'll draw up a spreadsheet and do some simulations, but I would guess not more than 1 or 2%

edit: what are your units per month roughly for summer and for winter?
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Re: Load shedding and the economy
« Reply #98 on: March 29, 2019, 10:23:46 am »
most councils have block tariffs for electricity and water - below is the one Tshwane uses for both pre- and post-paid - very few people on facebook seem grasp it and are forever complaining when they buy for the 2nd time in a month

Im not surprised that people get confused

If i look at Eskoms billing for example. I have a house in the suburbs, my Network Capacity charge is R85 a month or about R3 a day another house I own about 8km away is R275.39 per month, the only difference between the 2 houses is one is in a security complex, I cant even figure out how the network charges work.

All i know is that here in the Cape it seems to differ drastically , If i ever figure it out ill let you know

At the end of the day I still think our electricity is fairly cheap compared to the rest of the world , my house with a borehole and swimming pool with a granny flat only uses about R200 - R250 a week in electricity.

Tshwane only has the capacity charge for its bigger connections - capacity charge is actually a demand charge and should be based on the cost to supply the maximum electricity used in any 30 or 60 min period - this would include the equipment and what eskom charges the council for maximum demand
When you pay a capacity charge, your units (kWh) should be cheaper than the guy who doesn't pay the charge

At the old Iscor pretoria works, that bought their power from Tshwane, we had a maximum demand controller that shut down our furnaces at certain times in order to stay within the targetted maximum demand for the month - on these large supplies, the elec bill was roughly half for capacity and half for energy, so it was worth managing the capacity

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Re: Load shedding and the economy
« Reply #99 on: March 29, 2019, 10:26:31 am »
From 11 April we face drastic power cuts again locally. Electricity is sold by the municipality via prepaid meters, so all electricity is paid for prior to it being loaded onto your meter. The money however was not paid over to Eskom with the result of them being in arrears to the tune of around R85 mil.
From 11 April our power will now be cut by Eskom for up to 14 hours a day, while we, the consumer, has paid our dues in full. There will be many unhappy people, you might even see us on the news.
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