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Offline Campbell McCurrach

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Re: Motorcycle and Adventure Tour Guides - Qualified vs. Unqualified
« Reply #20 on: April 07, 2019, 11:14:39 am »
As a matter of interest - where do you start to become a guide?
There are a good few training and certification providers out there who are CATHSETA/THETA registered. We elected to go through Adventure Qualifications Network (AQN) who were very professional with a great system.



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Re: Motorcycle and Adventure Tour Guides - Qualified vs. Unqualified
« Reply #21 on: April 08, 2019, 08:41:44 am »
I started out by getting qualified as a Cultural guide, but was reminded that taking bike tours was an Adventure guiding activity. So I got myself qualified as an Adventure guide as well via AQN.

They mentioned to me that their are only 5 qualified Motorcycle Adventure Guides in SA, so yes there a re a whole bunch of operators out there operating illegally.

Getting certified as a Cultural guide is fairly easy, not too much work. Adventure guiding certification is another story, the emphasis of the course is primarily about looking after the safety of your customers, so its a bit more work and the pass rate required is about 80% and they use negative marking, if you get a question wrong, you don't only loose the points but also have them subtracted again from you total score. Get one module wrong 3 times and you are kicked off the course!
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Re: Motorcycle and Adventure Tour Guides - Qualified vs. Unqualified
« Reply #22 on: April 08, 2019, 09:20:41 am »
As a matter of interest - where do you start to become a guide?
I did my Cultural course with https://livingstonetourismacademy.co.za/about-livingstone-tour-guide-school-cape-town/
Adventure course with https://www.ventureforth.co.za/gasg

For Cultural Guiding you need First Aid Level 1, Adventure Guiding Level 2 (but they do push you to get level 3)
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Re: Motorcycle and Adventure Tour Guides - Qualified vs. Unqualified
« Reply #23 on: April 08, 2019, 04:05:50 pm »
Then we have many international tour operators, who certainly are not registered in SA for anything at all.

.. and that will be the downfall. 

As with so much else in the country, it's become just another inadministrable manner of collecting a tax without giving back to the industry.  A few "legal" operators here or there will make a noise, a few inspections will be done, and a couple of months later, it's back to ops normal.

As good as what regulation of the industry might be, the motivation for it and the administration of it is, the end result is what counts.  But this is Africa after all.



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Re: Motorcycle and Adventure Tour Guides - Qualified vs. Unqualified
« Reply #24 on: April 09, 2019, 09:43:44 am »
A couple of things come to mind, thanks to all contributing so far.

The legislation is not specifically mentioning motor cycle tourism per se, it is wobbly at best and the interpretation of same leaves it wide open.

I doubt, that should you be registered as an adventure guide, you automatically qualify to tour wherever you want. The adventure part (correct me, if I'm wrong) refers to going off road and that is probably why it is considered more of a specific site guide qualification (emergencies in a remote area, first aid, recovery, etc.). As a culture guide, the DEAT would probably accept you to do tours in the whole of SA, or in the province you are active. Best of both worlds would be to have both qualifications as culture and adventure guide, like Meteldog. No distinction is anywhere to be found, where the difference is made between a road tour combined with say Seeweweekspoort, or doing the Roof of Africa. Ventureforth gives no information on their website about specific motorcycle adventure training, which tells me that the legal side is still somewhat of a grey area.

Aside from motorcycle touring, the qualification also helps me to earn an income, when I am not on a motorcycle tour, and I can do that for years to come, with or without a motorcycle future. Think long term.

The other side of the coin is the fact, that approx. 50% of tourist guides are either unemployed or struggle to get work, that is the reality. So you have to investigate, what exactly do you want to do and what does the future look like? Best is to become a specialised guide, either activity related, area related, or cultural/language related. 
 

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Re: Motorcycle and Adventure Tour Guides - Qualified vs. Unqualified
« Reply #25 on: April 09, 2019, 10:39:39 am »
Question:  Can you get qualified as an Adventure Guide say, even if you don't intedn on starting your own business doing guiding, but might want to help another group doing other sorts of tourism activities?

Once your'e qualified do you have to use it constantly is my question I guess?  Can you do it now and then?
 

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Re: Motorcycle and Adventure Tour Guides - Qualified vs. Unqualified
« Reply #26 on: April 09, 2019, 10:46:34 am »
Question:  Can you get qualified as an Adventure Guide say, even if you don't intedn on starting your own business doing guiding, but might want to help another group doing other sorts of tourism activities?

Once your'e qualified do you have to use it constantly is my question I guess?  Can you do it now and then?
You can get qualified and use it for the duration of the validity of the registration, culture guiding at present: three years (first aid must go hand in hand with that) before renewal. You can free lance, i.e. chose when and how often. Your call.
 

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Re: Motorcycle and Adventure Tour Guides - Qualified vs. Unqualified
« Reply #27 on: April 09, 2019, 10:58:22 am »
Question:  Can you get qualified as an Adventure Guide say, even if you don't intedn on starting your own business doing guiding, but might want to help another group doing other sorts of tourism activities?

Once your'e qualified do you have to use it constantly is my question I guess?  Can you do it now and then?
You can get qualified and use it for the duration of the validity of the registration, culture guiding at present: three years (first aid must go hand in hand with that) before renewal. You can free lance, i.e. chose when and how often. Your call.
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Re: Motorcycle and Adventure Tour Guides - Qualified vs. Unqualified
« Reply #28 on: April 11, 2019, 08:31:44 am »
Question:  Can you get qualified as an Adventure Guide say, even if you don't intedn on starting your own business doing guiding, but might want to help another group doing other sorts of tourism activities?

Once your'e qualified do you have to use it constantly is my question I guess?  Can you do it now and then?
For Adventure guiding you need to keep a log book of tours you have guided. AQN every 3 years will want to see what sort of activity you have done and may contact references that you need to list in your logbook. I don't know how frequently you need to take tours.

1st Aid is also on valid for 3 years, so you need to keep that up to date as well

Adventure guiding as opposed to Cultural guiding does not restrict you to certain provinces only, you can Adventure guide anywhere in South Africa once certified.
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Offline Warren Ellwood

Re: Motorcycle and Adventure Tour Guides - Qualified vs. Unqualified
« Reply #29 on: April 12, 2019, 04:24:50 pm »
I think the heading should actually be registered or not registered.

Years ago, around 2006 I think, I was doing some part time 4x4 guiding for a company called Cederberg 4x4.

To become "legal" we went on a course offered by a company called Masazane Expiditions based in Limpopo, the course was recognized by DEAT and we were given recognition as 4x4 or overland tour guides at the time. I originally was given a national qualification and had a GP DEAT no.

Years later unit standards came into it and as far as I know, the owners of Masazane were given a certain time frame in which to get their course accredited properly, which eventually never happened, so in effect, the "qualification" was just going to fall away. It was a pity as it really was a comprehensive and very interesting course.

I went and had discussions with DEAT here in the WC, and they said if I did one of the recognized courses and obtained a proper qualification, they would continue to honor and recognize my previous "achievements".

I've have always wanted to keep my guides qualifications up to date as I may decide to use it one day, whether it be for motorcycle, overland or even just local Cape Town guiding (or a combination of them), I have a long term plan written in the back of my head which is slowly taking shape.

After not that much research I realized the easiest one to get was a culture guide and so I did that, and this is what the back of my card looks like.

I think the risk of getting caught guiding without and guiding documents is probably limited to areas like Cape Point, Table Mountain, the Waterfront etc. I don't think any motorcycle tour operators are in any danger at this moment in time, its just not policeable.


 





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