Author Topic: Drone fotos/videos (Read 9999 times)

ChristoffGS · « **Reply #40 on:** April 09, 2019, 02:42:09 pm »

Quote from: Fuzzy Muzzy on April 09, 2019, 01:51:03 pm

As long as the guys who are posting pics with their watermark proudly displayed have their RPL

Its fairly common knowledge that literally anyone with an RPL or ROC will report anyone who doesnt, Anyone investing about R300k into an ROC or just the R25k into an RPL instantly feels like they are the drone police. I see it all the time, our company operates under licence from another company who has an ROC, so there are ways to get around it, as long as the drone is registered with the company holding the ROC

Bottom line is if you don't have the correct licencing just keep your images off networks or social media, if they can track you through watermarks on your pics the CAA will,

My 2c

It was my understanding that I do not, by law, need a RPL if I do not intend to use my aircraft for commercial purposes. Are you saying that by putting a watermark on my photos that makes it commercialized? @Fuzzy Muzzy

Fuzzy Muzzy · « **Reply #41 on:** April 09, 2019, 02:59:59 pm »

100% correct

Once you watermark a pic and you post it then its considered published which is covered by publishing laws, and is deemed commercial as you are in effect attaching a copyright. For example, if i take your photo and use it without your permission and it wins a prize in a competition would you sue me for the winnings.. yes you would, so it has commercial value. Its just a simplistic representation.

There seems to be a lot of confusion about the licencing and I really recommend that everyone with drones brushes up on the requirements

In a nutshell.. if you just fly a drone as a hobby or just for your own personal interest, then you need a RPL. .. if you are flying for commercial gain then you need an ROC. Just because you are not making money doing it as a hobby does not mean you don't need an RPL.. you do. For most people it comes down to insurance coverage. I have no idea why they are still selling drones without the required licencing.. sometimes what you find is that when people buy drones the company they are buying from state that it comes with "a licence" but that is just the actual licence of the drone which you register with the CAA, so a lot of people buy drones thinking that they are legal.

Personally I think an RPL is a rip off and the CAA have no way of policing it.. that being said I would'nt be positing my drone pics on the net with a way of someone being able to trace it back to me because as they say in court, ignorance is not a defense and the fines are rolling in for some guys who have been blogging etc posting vids from drones.

What the CAA is banking on is that there are 1000's of disillusioned drone pilots out there who thought that when they get their RPL they can fast track a career in the drone industry where nothing is further from the truth,

Fly, enjoy.. just be careful where you publish IMO

ChristoffGS · « **Reply #42 on:** April 09, 2019, 03:09:50 pm »

Quote from: Fuzzy Muzzy on April 09, 2019, 02:59:59 pm

100% correct

Once you watermark a pic and you post it then its considered published and is deemed commercial. For example, if i take your photo and use it without your permission and it wins a prize in a competition would you sue me for the winnings.. yes you would, so it has commercial value.

There seems to be a lot of confusion about the licencing and I really recommend that everyone with drones brushes up on the requirements

In a nutshell.. if you just fly a drone as a hobby or just for your own personal interest, then you need a RPL. .. if you are flying for commercial gain then you need an ROC. Just because you are not making money doing it as a hobby does not mean you don't need an RPL.. you do. For most people it comes down to insurance coverage. I have no idea why they are still selling drones without the required licencing.. sometimes what you find is that when people buy drones the company they are buying from state that it comes with "a licence" but that is just the actual licence of the drone which you register with the CAA, so a lot of people buy drones thinking hat they are legal.

Personally I think an RPL is a rip off and the CAA have no way of policing it.. that being said I would'nt be positing my drone pics on the net with a way of someone being able to trace it back to me because as they say in court, ignorance is not a defense and the fines are rolling in for some guys who have been blogging etc posting vids from drones.

What the CAA is banking on is that there are 1000's of disillusioned drone pilots out there who thought that when they get their RPL they can fast track a career in the drone industry where nothing is further from the truth,

Fly, enjoy.. just be careful where you publish.

Well then, I suppose this thread is useless as the point was to share drone photos

. Will remove my photos and rather stick to giving advise.

chicco · « **Reply #43 on:** April 09, 2019, 03:12:52 pm »

Quote from: ChristoffGS on April 09, 2019, 03:09:50 pm

Quote from: Fuzzy Muzzy on April 09, 2019, 02:59:59 pm
100% correct

Once you watermark a pic and you post it then its considered published and is deemed commercial. For example, if i take your photo and use it without your permission and it wins a prize in a competition would you sue me for the winnings.. yes you would, so it has commercial value.

There seems to be a lot of confusion about the licencing and I really recommend that everyone with drones brushes up on the requirements

In a nutshell.. if you just fly a drone as a hobby or just for your own personal interest, then you need a RPL. .. if you are flying for commercial gain then you need an ROC. Just because you are not making money doing it as a hobby does not mean you don't need an RPL.. you do. For most people it comes down to insurance coverage. I have no idea why they are still selling drones without the required licencing.. sometimes what you find is that when people buy drones the company they are buying from state that it comes with "a licence" but that is just the actual licence of the drone which you register with the CAA, so a lot of people buy drones thinking hat they are legal.

Personally I think an RPL is a rip off and the CAA have no way of policing it.. that being said I would'nt be positing my drone pics on the net with a way of someone being able to trace it back to me because as they say in court, ignorance is not a defense and the fines are rolling in for some guys who have been blogging etc posting vids from drones.

What the CAA is banking on is that there are 1000's of disillusioned drone pilots out there who thought that when they get their RPL they can fast track a career in the drone industry where nothing is further from the truth,

Fly, enjoy.. just be careful where you publish.
Well then, I suppose this thread is useless as the point was to share drone photos . Will remove my photos and rather stick to giving advise.

Jip you will have less trouble riding your quad around on the beach without a helmet than flying drones these days....

Vis Arend · « **Reply #44 on:** April 09, 2019, 03:16:59 pm »

Well, fuck them...................

ChristoffGS · « **Reply #45 on:** April 09, 2019, 03:18:17 pm »

Quote from: Vis Arend on April 09, 2019, 03:16:59 pm

Well, fuck them...................

I like your attitude!

onderbroek · « **Reply #46 on:** April 09, 2019, 03:20:26 pm »

Ek het n phantom 4 gehad vir n rukkie:

Sasolburg het nie baie nie, en ek mag nie oor die fabrieke vlieg nie

Fuzzy Muzzy · « **Reply #47 on:** April 09, 2019, 03:57:04 pm »

Quote from: Vis Arend on April 09, 2019, 03:16:59 pm

Well, fuck them...................

pretty much.. frankly the CAA can go get knotted.

I phoned the CAA, e-mailed them more times than I can count trying to get legal.. its crazy that within their own department they are clueless beyond just sending out the requirements. They cannot police it , so about 90% of drone pilots are illegal in SA..

Hence why I say fly.. enjoy.. but one should not be reckless at the same point

DirtRebell · « **Reply #48 on:** April 09, 2019, 03:57:32 pm »

Here's some pics I took with my Phantom pro.

1st pic - selfie on a project in Cape town
2nd & 3rd pics - first flight, in front of my office in Melkbos
4th pic - project in Melkbos
5th pic, from Melkbos
6th, Melkbos, bit higher

grim101 · « **Reply #49 on:** April 09, 2019, 08:07:46 pm »

Quote from: Fuzzy Muzzy on April 09, 2019, 01:51:03 pm

As long as the guys who are posting pics with their watermark proudly displayed have their RPL

Its fairly common knowledge that literally anyone with an RPL or ROC will report anyone who doesnt, Anyone investing about R300k into an ROC or just the R25k into an RPL instantly feels like they are the drone police. I see it all the time, our company operates under licence from another company who has an ROC, so there are ways to get around it, as long as the drone is registered with the company holding the ROC

Bottom line is if you don't have the correct licencing just keep your images off networks or social media, if they can track you through watermarks on your pics the CAA will,

My 2c

And if there's no watermark on the photo? Does it still matter?

Sardine · « **Reply #50 on:** April 13, 2019, 10:53:15 am »

Having been involved in aviation for 10 years, and having just done my test for my RPL, I share Fuzzy’s frustrations with the CAA.
From the little exposure I have had to the world of “drones”, I have seen the CAA create ridiculous regulations, perhaps in an attempt to be overly cautious rather than be more relaxed and have something go wrong. But as Fuzzy said, they aren’t policing it. They don’t have the man power to.

My question was asked not because I am one of those “drone police”. But because I was curious to find out if the retailers are aware of the rules and regulations. The CAA should do an awareness drive with all of the retailers. And enforce the rules right from the start. It won’t solve illegal drones, but it is a step in the right direction.

I still struggle to navigate the CAA website and regulations, so it’s understandable that Oom Piet on the Plaas won’t having a cooking clue about all the laws he might be breaking.

It is becoming a competitive industry with mega bucks to be made.
A big thing is estate agents using drones for aerial shots of properties. Illegal to do without an RPL and ROC on so many levels. But no one has been correctly educated.

It is also a privacy and safety concern for those you are flying around. Those things are damn annoying. Nothing like chilling on a Table Mountain then hearing a giant mosquito buzzy around. (Drones are prohibited in national parks).

I am ranting with little structure so I am going to stop here.
As Fuzzy said, be careful guys and gals. Have fun, but don’t fly within 50m of people or buildings, on private land, above 500ft AGL, beyond line of sight, have VHF radio (for which you need a restricted radio Licence for yourself, and a Licence for the radio itself) and and and and and