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Re: Bike towing trailer. Legal in SA?
« Reply #40 on: November 08, 2016, 09:00:41 am »
Apologies if there are posts I don't respond to. You're probably on my Ignore List :lol8:
Hehe, so I was safe as you could not ignore me as I had not posted! :laughing4:
It seems as it is like my argument the last few times I got pulled over by metro, my vito has removable seats and they accuse me off cutting them out and illegally using the vehicle for commercial purposes!
Make it, use it and confuse the hell out of the cop by giving him a huge talk about towing, drawing , side and rear mounted cars etc!
You are not in the talking business for nothing!
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Re: Bike towing trailer. Legal in SA?
« Reply #41 on: November 08, 2016, 09:08:13 am »
OK, this is the story. There are no provisions in the RTA or regulations that makes it illegal for a bike to draw/pull a trailer. Problem is, there are also no provisions for its legality, ie, drawing capacity of bike, certification of tongue weight, specs of trailer etc. like you get for cars and trailers.

The Minister of Transport is aware of this, and the need for it, and its being looked at, but it will take time, so in the mean time there is a temporary arrangement to get your bike certified and trailer registered.

Now to find the people to talk to. This might take a while.

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Re: Bike towing trailer. Legal in SA?
« Reply #42 on: November 08, 2016, 12:17:59 pm »
Dis goed om te hoor. Ek dink?
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Re: Bike towing trailer. Legal in SA?
« Reply #43 on: November 08, 2016, 12:36:13 pm »
Dis goed om te hoor. Ek dink?

Die Goldwing club het die prosedure en ek wag om te hoor van hulle. Maar hulle praat van groot kapasiteit bikes, so ek dink 1000cc + en 200kg+
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Re: Bike towing trailer. Legal in SA?
« Reply #44 on: November 08, 2016, 12:57:33 pm »
One issue is your driver license.  It does not allow towing.
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Re: Bike towing trailer. Legal in SA?
« Reply #45 on: November 08, 2016, 02:35:31 pm »
So two wheel trailers are illegal ...but single wheel trailers fit in the loophole as a "dolly" ?

Yes. The dollies are often regarded to as a piece of luggage like a pannier or a top box.
I found the reason for this many years ago and thanks to a TÜV Bayern engineer in German traffic law:
A trailer can practically be moved without the aid of a towing vehicle. A dolly can't practically be moved without being attached to a bike. Therefore it is not a vehicle and legal requirements for trailers do not apply to them.
I am sure you could argue this point if necessary and you would probably have a good chance of success.


Since the dolly is a part of the motorcycle the width restriction of no more than 1,000mm would apply to the dolly.
Funny enough we never quite figured out if there is any length restriction. If you apply the German truck legislation to a bike dolly combo then you could see it as an articulated truck and make it 16,50m long and 4m tall in total :laughing5:

Trailer speed limits do not apply since the dolly is not a trailer.Or is it ??? I have tested my home built dolly up to the top speed of my VF1100C (210km/h). I hardly noticed it was there besides the slightly poorer performance of the bike. A trailer behind a bike is not allowed to be towed at more than 60km/h. This in combination with a required minimum speed of 60km/h on freeways is a bit :-\

One legal problem of the dolly was that since it's a piece of luggage it does not increase the max. gross weight of the bike. But then you could argue if it were a trailer it would (in Germany) add to the bikes max. gross at the formula 1/2 bike max. tare plus 75kg. Just hope they never put you onto the weight bridge :D

Two things I never liked about the commercially made dollies:
The dolly should ideally connect to the bike via the horizontal pivot axis at or near the swing arm pivot to prevent excessive weight concentration behind the rear wheel.
The weight of the luggage should be distributed in front and behind the dolly wheel to reduce the load that has to be carried by the bike visa the connection to the dolly.
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Re: Bike towing trailer. Legal in SA?
« Reply #46 on: November 08, 2016, 03:17:45 pm »
Interesting info. The specs of my trailer I took from an American model. The 'legal' compliance I took from the English regulations, eg, weight max, length etc.

I just reckoned using those limits will put it into some tested safety requirements.
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Re: Bike towing trailer. Legal in SA?
« Reply #47 on: November 08, 2016, 03:21:05 pm »
Interesting info. The specs of my trailer I took from an American model. The 'legal' compliance I took from the English regulations, eg, weight max, length etc.

I just reckoned using those limits will put it into some tested safety requirements.

Copied from my build thread :

"These Mono-Trails are real neat http://www.mono-trail.co.uk  Seeing as there are no rules in SA for these trailers, I've decided to keep to these specs when building mine. I assume the English have worked out this is safe, so its good for me.  :thumleft:


- The towing motorcycle must exceed 125 cc engine capacity.
- The trailer has an overall width not exceeding 1.00m
- The distance between the rear axle and the rearmost part of the trailer must not exceed 2.5m.
- The motorcycle must be clearly and indelibly marked with it’s kerbside weight.
- The trailer must be clearly and indelibly marked with it’s unladen weight.
-  When the trailer is loaded it must weigh no more than 150 kilograms or two-thirds of the kerbside weight of the motorcycle,           whichever is lighter.
- The UK speed limit is 60 mph on motorways and dual carriageways and 50 mph on all other roads unless a lesser limit is in force."
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Re: Bike towing trailer. Legal in SA?
« Reply #48 on: July 11, 2017, 12:40:18 pm »
How's this for a lekka trailer?
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Re: Bike towing trailer. Legal in SA?
« Reply #49 on: December 07, 2017, 10:41:14 pm »
Comments pls
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Re: Bike towing trailer. Legal in SA?
« Reply #50 on: December 07, 2017, 11:07:41 pm »
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Re: Bike towing trailer. Legal in SA?
« Reply #51 on: December 08, 2017, 03:36:31 am »
Comments pls

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Re: Bike towing trailer. Legal in SA?
« Reply #52 on: December 08, 2017, 07:45:15 am »
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Re: Bike towing trailer. Legal in SA?
« Reply #53 on: December 08, 2017, 09:11:28 am »
AND a Top Box................ :o

Just put the bike on a trailer and take the car 8)
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Re: Bike towing trailer. Legal in SA?
« Reply #54 on: December 08, 2017, 10:16:52 am »
I have to ask the question: why would anyone want to tour on a bike and then take sooooo much stuff that they need a trailer? Aren't you defeating the object? What's the point?   :pot:

I have to ask a question: are you married..?

I have to agree Lance.  If you need a trailer, gooi a Venter on your bakkie and tour.

I am married Goose.  Got my wife to ride her own bike.  That doubles the number of panniers and top boxes.  I pack my stuff in my tankbag and she has 4 panniers and 2 top boxes for hers.    :lol8:
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Re: Bike towing trailer. Legal in SA?
« Reply #55 on: December 10, 2017, 10:07:47 am »
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Fokkit  :eek7:

I assume you think its not legal and a waiting accident?
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Re: Bike towing trailer. Legal in SA?
« Reply #56 on: December 10, 2017, 11:09:37 pm »
I like the single wheel Dolly idea. This one, I don't know if this kite is going to fly.

Send pictures and reports please.