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Re: My Sidecar Project
« Reply #100 on: June 25, 2019, 08:25:56 am »
Will you be changing the front suspension of the bike to a sidecar one?

Not necessarily. Depending on how lucky I am with the design, the tele-lever as is,  do OK with a sidecar. What the guy did on the build I'm copying(Albetros on ADV rider) was to fit a shortened tele-lever to lessen the trail, instead of fitting leading link suspension.

They say (  ::) ) if you get the combination of wheel lead, toe-in and bike-lean out correct, its not heavy on the steering.

But, when the build is done, I hope to visit Humfree so he can tell me what I did wrong and see how he does the leading link suspension. Ultimately I would like to do the conversion, as that is how a sidecar was designed to work.
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Re: My Sidecar Project
« Reply #101 on: June 25, 2019, 09:07:36 am »
Hi Gérrard,
not sure if you saw my sidecar photos - this R65 (I had one for 20 years), has the standard forks, so it does not seem necessary to change the forks.
This was used in the Nals Oldtimer Bergrennen - so it must handle well.
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Re: My Sidecar Project
« Reply #102 on: June 25, 2019, 09:37:06 am »
That'll keep the passenger entertained during overtaking.....

Stunning rig though!!

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Re: My Sidecar Project
« Reply #103 on: June 25, 2019, 10:20:34 am »
Hi Gérrard,
not sure if you saw my sidecar photos - this R65 (I had one for 20 years), has the standard forks, so it does not seem necessary to change the forks.
This was used in the Nals Oldtimer Bergrennen - so it must handle well.

Yip, I'll see if its necessary. If that is the same model R65's I had, they are the short frame with shorter rake, that's why it would handle better. Same I think as the 1150 would do with tele-lever.
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Re: My Sidecar Project
« Reply #104 on: June 25, 2019, 10:27:27 am »
What I've learned from my research is that discussing sidecar set-up is like discussing tyres, CoG, handlebar risers etc. There's no one answer or magic formula... there are parameters, like it must have some wheel lead, toe-in, lean out on the bike etc. It usually ends in an argument with words like 'fool' etc being used  :lol8: Final set-up can only be made when the rig is complete,granted you stayed within known principles which I'm trying too.

There is only one constant that never changes though... most sidecars have three wheels  :imaposer:
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Re: My Sidecar Project
« Reply #105 on: June 25, 2019, 10:41:38 am »
Sidecar riding is COMPLETELY different to riding a motorcycle.
First you look forward to ride a bike that cannot fall over in mud. :thumleft:  But then you have never actually ridden one.
Then you have to get used to this new way of riding. :ricky:
The first trip I thought by myself...WTF....is this really what I want?
Once you ACCEPTED the change and you have your rig setup as good as possible and you get to know the little funnies you start enjoying it more and more.

On my last trip to the Baviaans, Reddersburg, Loxton, Sutherland, Ladismith and back to Riversdal, I KNEW...this is the way I want to spend my last years of riding a bike. :3some:

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Re: My Sidecar Project
« Reply #106 on: June 25, 2019, 11:12:53 am »
What I've learned from my research is that discussing sidecar set-up is like discussing tyres, CoG, handlebar risers etc. There's no one answer or magic formula... there are parameters, like it must have some wheel lead, toe-in, lean out on the bike etc. It usually ends in an argument with words like 'fool' etc being used  :lol8: Final set-up can only be made when the rig is complete,granted you stayed within known principles which I'm trying too.

There is only one constant that never changes though... most sidecars have three wheels  :imaposer:

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Re: My Sidecar Project
« Reply #107 on: June 25, 2019, 03:17:53 pm »
Sidecar riding is COMPLETELY different to riding a motorcycle.
First you look forward to ride a bike that cannot fall over in mud. :thumleft:  But then you have never actually ridden one.
Then you have to get used to this new way of riding. :ricky:
The first trip I thought by myself...WTF....is this really what I want?
Once you ACCEPTED the change and you have your rig setup as good as possible and you get to know the little funnies you start enjoying it more and more.

On my last trip to the Baviaans, Reddersburg, Loxton, Sutherland, Ladismith and back to Riversdal, I KNEW...this is the way I want to spend my last years of riding a bike. :3some:

Still a bit young to be saying that......?  >:D
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Re: My Sidecar Project
« Reply #108 on: June 25, 2019, 03:23:58 pm »
Ek lyk maar net so goed...want ek rook nie, ek drink nie en ek neem my kinders aan.  :laughing4:

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Re: My Sidecar Project
« Reply #109 on: June 25, 2019, 09:13:44 pm »
The handlanger and I got busy with some 'precision engineering" tonite.

Making up the swingarm
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Re: My Sidecar Project
« Reply #110 on: June 25, 2019, 09:15:46 pm »
Lugs for the swingarm pivots, trial fitted and tacked with dummy hub


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Re: My Sidecar Project
« Reply #111 on: June 25, 2019, 09:17:09 pm »
Next fit the swingarm to the pivot

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Re: My Sidecar Project
« Reply #112 on: June 26, 2019, 07:35:39 am »
Nou wanneer gaan ons ry.... SARS het my betaal vanoggend.. Ek is sorted vir 'n trip. :ricky: :ricky:

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Re: My Sidecar Project
« Reply #113 on: June 26, 2019, 08:44:19 am »
The handlanger and I got busy with some 'precision engineering" tonite.

Making up the swingarm

Hey Watchit!

I'm not just a Handlanger, I am a Senior Works Supervisor...................cause heaven knows if we left you to measure and cut on your own, we would be seeing very different results as we are all aware of your "Precision Engineering", it's not rocket science, approach  :3some: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:



And by the way, I don't know if having the 1st ride in the Sidecar is a "threat or reward" , if the Trailer build test ride is any indication :lol8:
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Re: My Sidecar Project
« Reply #114 on: June 26, 2019, 08:50:05 am »
Ek sal nie eerste in daai draadkarretjie wil ry nie...hy moet hom maar eers met 'n sak sout op 'n paar rowwe grondpaaie gaan ry en kyk of hy nie uitmekaar val nie.

En ek se nie Lynn is 'n SAK nie  :laughing4:

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« Reply #115 on: June 26, 2019, 09:27:14 am »
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Re: My Sidecar Project
« Reply #116 on: June 26, 2019, 11:29:36 am »
Al die geploeter daar in daai garage het my kop nou weer aan die draai.

Nog altyd ges my sidecar is 'n PROJEK.  Die projek is nog nie klaar nie.

Het al idees gehad om FUNNY tubs te bou en hulle op en af te haal soos die geleendheid hom voordoen.
Was eers 'n Landy gewees... Dan wou ek 'n sticker opsit..."Gelukkig het 'n Yamaha verbygekom"
Ander idee was 'n VW combi splittie.  Hy sou alles plat vou binne sodat ek in hom kan slaap...met 'n opslaan dak en al.
Verder het ek al gedroom van 'n Teardrop karavaantjie agter aan te sleep.
Toe kom ek vandag op die foto af.......
Oooooo donder ek ruik ROOK !!!!


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« Reply #117 on: June 26, 2019, 11:36:23 am »
This one looks pretty cool!
 

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Re: My Sidecar Project
« Reply #118 on: June 26, 2019, 01:13:02 pm »
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...may I suggest adding a ROOFRACK (as per attached pic) to your proposed sleep-mobile'?!  ;)
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Re: My Sidecar Project
« Reply #119 on: June 26, 2019, 01:24:23 pm »
Also thought it would be a good idea...and it will look COOL  :laughing4:

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