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Singles....250 vs 400 vs 650
« on: May 27, 2019, 09:38:03 am »
I'm enjoying the KTM 640 a lot. Mostly the lightness and suspension but I feel it has the type of engine that does not like low revs (like the KLR and XRL I had). It feels like it is not comfortable there so it wants to rev which means you go faster and faster and before you know it you into a corner and run out of talent  :o

So, this bike brings back memories of the few 250s I had...mostly their lightness. I feel though that they were under powered. So, I guess what I want is something like a DRZ400 with an upgraded suspension?

How will an upgraded DRZ400 compare to a 640? I've never ridden one.
 

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Re: Singles....250 vs 400 vs 650
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2019, 09:44:57 am »
Nee Dolf. Firstly buy a front sprocket 1 tooth smaller, example 15t down to 14t. It will bring up your revs by a least 350-500rpm allowing you to ride slower. If you dont like it then consider changing
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Re: Singles....250 vs 400 vs 650
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2019, 11:43:57 am »
I think that even with single cylinder bikes the old American philosophy still holds good. "Thar aint no substityoot for cyoobs."  :3some:
 

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Re: Singles....250 vs 400 vs 650
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2019, 12:06:07 pm »
This conversation is always worth revisiting...

I ride 80% on dirt, with a mixture of dirt highway with Baviaans-spec and even more washed out tracks along the likes of Antoniesberg/Grootrivierpoort... where one is mostly doing between 40 and 70 kph  (bearing in mind that iím An old ballie and ride like one!)

I currently ride a DR 650, but recently had occasion to ride a 230, and then a TW200.

I was blown away by how lekka it was to ride a light bike and get it up to fourth in terrain that I could hardly get into second on the 650, and feel completely in control , with power to spare.

And those bikes are so ridiculously simple to maintain... even more so than the DR  - if thatís possible.

WRT your question about the DRZ, iíve Never owned one but they have a great suspension, though disappointing fuel consumption, and while they are lighter than the DR (which is the lightest of the 650ís), they still feel heavy compared to a 230 or the TW 200 (which must be one of the most underrated small thumpers around)...
 

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Re: Singles....250 vs 400 vs 650
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2019, 12:14:13 pm »
This conversation is always worth revisiting...

I ride 80% on dirt, with a mixture of dirt highway with Baviaans-spec and even more washed out tracks along the likes of Antoniesberg/Grootrivierpoort... where one is mostly doing between 40 and 70 kph  (bearing in mind that iím An old ballie and ride like one!)

I currently ride a DR 650, but recently had occasion to ride a 230, and then a TW200.

I was blown away by how lekka it was to ride a light bike and get it up to fourth in terrain that I could hardly get into second on the 650, and feel completely in control , with power to spare.

And those bikes are so ridiculously simple to maintain... even more so than the DR  - if thatís possible.

WRT your question about the DRZ, iíve Never owned one but they have a great suspension, though disappointing fuel consumption, and while they are lighter than the DR (which is the lightest of the 650ís), they still feel heavy compared to a 230 or the TW 200 (which must be one of the most underrated small thumpers around)...

I had a CRF230L and although very light it was just too under powered. Same for the XT250. Have said that it is more fun to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow.
 

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Re: Singles....250 vs 400 vs 650
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2019, 12:22:00 pm »
Drop jou gearing d.m.v jou voorste sprocket te verklein en jy gaan gesort wees glo my!
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Re: Singles....250 vs 400 vs 650
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2019, 12:38:03 pm »
Drop jou gearing d.m.v jou voorste sprocket te verklein en jy gaan gesort wees glo my!

Sal dit probeer maar sal dit regtig so groot verskil maak?
 

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Re: Singles....250 vs 400 vs 650
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2019, 12:41:56 pm »
Jip. Byvoorbeeld Waar jy bv op 10km/h uitmax in 1ste rat, gaan jy nou uitmax op 7km/h in 1ste rat, dus jou spoed gaan stadiger wees omrede jy hoŽr revolusies ry
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Re: Singles....250 vs 400 vs 650
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2019, 01:44:04 pm »
Jip. Byvoorbeeld Waar jy bv op 10km/h uitmax in 1ste rat, gaan jy nou uitmax op 7km/h in 1ste rat, dus jou spoed gaan stadiger wees omrede jy hoŽr revolusies ry

Ok, maar ek wil nie so hoog hoef te rev nie  :biggrin: en 'n klein bike op hoe revs voel anders as 'n groot single.
 

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Re: Singles....250 vs 400 vs 650
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2019, 01:52:24 pm »
Nee Dolf. Firstly buy a front sprocket 1 tooth smaller, example 15t down to 14t. It will bring up your revs by a least 350-500rpm allowing you to ride slower. If you dont like it then consider changing
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Re: Singles....250 vs 400 vs 650
« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2019, 01:57:34 pm »
Dan het ek n DRZ "S" se gearing gevat, alhoewel jy moontlik na n "E" sal kyk sal jy nie met 14/47 enige use op die pad kry nie. Ek glo ons DRZ's was gerat soos die S omdat hulle padwaardig was.
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Re: Singles....250 vs 400 vs 650
« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2019, 01:58:20 pm »
Thanx Jacques.  Hoop dit help Dolf
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Re: Singles....250 vs 400 vs 650
« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2019, 02:03:01 pm »
As jy die sprockets verander is daar weinig verskil tussen die DRZ en 640 teen die verskillende revolusies. Die DRZ sal wel seker so 15-20 kg ligter wees.
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