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Offline Ian in Great Brak River

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Re: Botswana- it isn't as good as Xpat says
« Reply #40 on: June 28, 2019, 03:26:24 am »
Excellent combo, thanks Guys :thumleft:
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Re: Botswana- it isn't as good as Xpat says
« Reply #41 on: June 28, 2019, 04:50:30 am »
Another great ‘Good Cop / Bad Cop’ Combo.  Thanks for your side, Martin.


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Re: Botswana- it isn't as good as Xpat says
« Reply #42 on: June 28, 2019, 06:24:52 am »
Awesome ride, great terrain. Botswana is very high on my list and this stoked the fire big time.

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Re: Botswana- it isn't as good as Xpat says
« Reply #43 on: June 28, 2019, 10:35:25 am »
Nice report, really enjoy it  :thumleft:
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Re: Botswana- it isn't as good as Xpat says
« Reply #44 on: June 28, 2019, 11:56:58 am »
@m0lt3n GPX files from Bots
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Re: Botswana- it isn't as good as Xpat says
« Reply #45 on: June 28, 2019, 12:46:07 pm »
Great write-up by both you guys and the photos great as well. Thanks for taking the trouble.
 

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Re: Botswana- it isn't as good as Xpat says
« Reply #46 on: June 28, 2019, 03:10:27 pm »
really enjoyed that, thanks!
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Re: Botswana- it isn't as good as Xpat says
« Reply #47 on: June 30, 2019, 01:50:31 pm »
Great read and pics! Have a question for both McKracken and XPat...how do you guys think a KTM 350 EXC-F would handle the Botswana sand? I'm fairly new to this and used to have an old beat up 350 EXC-F but thinking of either getting a 500 or the Honda CRF 450L. Would be interested to hear your thoughts on the 350 given that it offers more versatility (funduro rides etc.). I've test ridden a few 500s and to mee it feels very similar to a 350 but with quite a bit more power. However, what's worrying me is that virtually every salesman I've spoken to tells me the 500 is too much for trails.
 

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Re: Botswana- it isn't as good as Xpat says
« Reply #48 on: June 30, 2019, 02:22:22 pm »
Great read and pics! Have a question for both McKracken and XPat...how do you guys think a KTM 350 EXC-F would handle the Botswana sand? I'm fairly new to this and used to have an old beat up 350 EXC-F but thinking of either getting a 500 or the Honda CRF 450L. Would be interested to hear your thoughts on the 350 given that it offers more versatility (funduro rides etc.). I've test ridden a few 500s and to mee it feels very similar to a 350 but with quite a bit more power. However, what's worrying me is that virtually every salesman I've spoken to tells me the 500 is too much for trails.
Without having ridden the 350, my opinion is exactly that. But I have read the entire 1000+ pages of the 501&350 thread on adv rider and based on that and other bits and pieces that I've heard, a 350 would be great. You'd probably have to be disciplined with packing light, but I never was using all the power of the 501 unless I was overtaking on the roads.
It's a more eager to rev engine, and is ridden differently to the relatively lazy 500s but there have been lots of guys who gear it to do 100 without killing itself and then ride it to the playground of choice.
If you have it, I'd go try before I laid out money for a bigger bike.
As for a 500 on trails, I have been very impressed by the bigger bike in tougher terrain, and it depends far more on the rider than the bike. Effort and fitness and enjoyment all factor in. My Husky had been up some places I wouldn't have thought it would go, with ease, just because I was following other riders.
I'm still looking at taking it on a funduro just for shits and giggles to see if I can.


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Re: Botswana- it isn't as good as Xpat says
« Reply #49 on: June 30, 2019, 02:29:20 pm »
Thanks mate, very useful! I've already sold the 350 but thinking quite seriously about the 500. Let's just say reading Xpat's stories (and now yours) is proving to be very persuasive.
 

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Re: Botswana- it isn't as good as Xpat says
« Reply #50 on: June 30, 2019, 04:28:40 pm »
Great read and pics! Have a question for both McKracken and XPat...how do you guys think a KTM 350 EXC-F would handle the Botswana sand? I'm fairly new to this and used to have an old beat up 350 EXC-F but thinking of either getting a 500 or the Honda CRF 450L. Would be interested to hear your thoughts on the 350 given that it offers more versatility (funduro rides etc.). I've test ridden a few 500s and to mee it feels very similar to a 350 but with quite a bit more power. However, what's worrying me is that virtually every salesman I've spoken to tells me the 500 is too much for trails.

I haven't ridden 350 - but sure it can do Botswana sand - any bike can do provide the rider can, but lightweight DS like 500 or 350 makes it much more fun.

But I'm confused by the '350 offering more versatility' comment. Surely it is exactly the other way around? On 500 you can do all your funduros (unless by funduro you mean winning Nationals), as well as go around the world as few people do (not that I recommend that). You can go on 500 everywhere where you can go on 350 (there was a guy who finished in top 10 in the last Roof on 500) and unless you are hardcore racer, you might even be faster on 500 as it has lots of bottom grunt and therefore is easy to lug a you don't have to be in the right gear all the time. It weights about the same, sure will feel heavier while riding due to bigger moving masses in the engine, but then being able to pull wrong gear may compensate for it. The only drawback in very technical terrain may be higher seat height, but that can be rectified - mine has been lowered and it helps in Lesotho.

And for dual sport riding like this Bots ride it will kill 350 in all aspects - more relaxed engine will make distances on boring dirt highways more manageable, less stressed engine will mean longer lifespan and less need for maintenance (or rather getting away with less oil changes), more power will help to overtake on commute.

Unless your riding is 90% very technical where every gram matters and you have to be very competitive (and then do you want to do it on plated bike with indicators and stuff?), 500 wins hands down IMO.

I'm rather not going comment on 450L idea - that would end up in a lots of wailing and crying here and I don't want to derail McKraken's report with that.
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Re: Botswana- it isn't as good as Xpat says
« Reply #51 on: June 30, 2019, 06:10:32 pm »
Awesome report and pics  - thanks for sharing and hope the exams went well.
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Re: Botswana- it isn't as good as Xpat says
« Reply #52 on: June 30, 2019, 06:59:34 pm »
500 is not too much power for trials and has much more bottom end torque and mid range than the 350. The 500 is therefore the more versatile bike



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Re: Botswana- it isn't as good as Xpat says
« Reply #53 on: June 30, 2019, 07:12:03 pm »
Thanks Xpat and Boland re: the 500. What I meant by the 350 (supposedly) being more versatile is that I thought because it has more manageable power it might be a better option in technical terrain. Bear in mind though that I am a total beginner. Only learnt to ride a bike about a year ago...taught myself on an old 350 EXC-F...made for some interesting encounters. The main reason I sold the 350 is that I just found it too high revving (and very shakey) on the open road. So my thinking was that the 500 would be better as it's not that much heavier - 2 or 3kg - but is way better on the open road. As I said, I have taken a few on some test rides and found them to be pretty manageable. Overall I think you have cleared this up for me: "...for dual sport riding like this Bots ride it will kill 350 in all aspects - more relaxed engine will make distances on boring dirt highways more manageable..." Many thanks for getting back to me.
 

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Re: Botswana- it isn't as good as Xpat says
« Reply #54 on: July 02, 2019, 12:16:59 pm »
Great report, looks like a plan worth making.
 

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Re: Botswana- it isn't as good as Xpat says
« Reply #55 on: July 02, 2019, 04:51:01 pm »
When my leg is healed- my 500 will be ready willing and able! Include me!!
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Re: Botswana- it isn't as good as Xpat says
« Reply #56 on: July 02, 2019, 05:11:28 pm »
Lekker RR  :thumleft:
 

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Re: Botswana- it isn't as good as Xpat says
« Reply #57 on: July 04, 2019, 01:23:21 pm »
Excellent! Will definitely do some of your route soon!  :thumleft: