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Offline Rossdog

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Has it been done yet? I'd love to see a shoot-out between a KTM Super Enduro and the new Triumph 1200 Scrambler XE. By all account the 1200XE sounds as though it's the most off-road capable big bore adventure/DS bike at the moment.

A shoot-out with an HP2 would also be interesting.
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Stats shows Triumph having 30mm more fork travel than the SE......

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I dont think the 1200xe is either advertised as something it is not,  or wrongly raved about by journos.
Take all current selling models, and tell us what makes the XE look overrated.
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I dont think that the Truimph was ever intended to compete with the Ktm or Bmw?
Triumph is making bikes in their own class, like the Rocket, but add small ass kickers to the models that makes them nice.
Looks is retro, and their kicking ass with that

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Stats shows Triumph having 30mm more fork travel than the SE......

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You sure? Both 250mm?
HP2 270mm

Travel obviously not everything
the 250mm WP on the KTM is much better than the 270mm Marzocchi (??) on the BMW
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Has it been done yet? I'd love to see a shoot-out between a KTM Super Enduro and the new Triumph 1200 Scrambler XE. By all account the 1200XE sounds as though it's the most off-road capable big bore adventure/DS bike at the moment.

A shoot-out with an HP2 would also be interesting.

Would be very interesting. On paper, the HP2 has the most HP, Torque and Suspension travel between the three, but in practice we know that the SE is probably more capable

This guy not too impressed with suspension





But Spurg from Revzilla was impressed

https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/2019-triumph-scrambler-1200-xc-and-xe-first-ride-motorcycle-review?utm_source=youtube.com&utm_medium=comment&utm_campaign=Triumph_Scrambler_1200_Spurgs_Naked_Adventure&utm_term=R_t6fUrTBEQ


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Jeez I would never really think to compare those 2.

Iíve been riding with a couple guys on the 1200 Scrambler, and while itís very capable in the dirt I wouldnít really call it an adventure bike in the traditional sense. Triumph donít exactky try to spare weight on these things, and for a 1200 the power output is a bit meh.
Gas tank is pretty damn small and luggage options limited because of the exhaust.

As a really good looking bike that can both serve as Cafe Racer coffee shop poser, city run around and off-road toy itís great, but I think ultimately the SE would always be a superior machine.
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I've done very little real off-road on 2 wheels, mostly just gravel roads, so I can't give you an opinion there. However, I had a test ride on the scrambler early June in damp conditions, and I can tell you the torque is addictive. Around the same time I also took a spin around the block on a friend's 1190 adventure R, and to me the triumph felt more lively at low speed. It does start to feel like it runs out of steam over 140, but for me, that's maybe a good thing. Had it up to 160 and there was plenty left...but I suspect it would not comfortably keep up with proper big adventure bikes on long high speed trips.

So I guess it depends what you want to use it for. I'll happily cruise at 140, and I don't think I'll need more than a 60l dry pack and one soft side pannier can carry

Stock in SA is a big problem though... I paid the deposit early June, and mine's only arriving in cape town by the end of next week.

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The fact that I've never ridden either machine and have no idea how they compare has absolutely no bearing on my opinion.

I'm Triumph through and through, more biased if that's possible, than the Yamaha man. I've had an aching heart ever since I first read of the 1200XE and saw the pics, because I know I'll never own one.  :drif:  :'(

Until I saw the vids.  :-\ and saw the rider's thumb typing away furiously on the control buttons and heard him going on about all the settings and modes.
Now my heart is no longer aching because I don't want one any more.  :peepwall:
 

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I had a demo Super Enduro for a weekend back in 07, and it was addictive. I would never have thought to compare the two, but most journo's seem impressed, and one came in the top ten in the Baja 500 (or at least I think it was the Baja 500).
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The fact that I've never ridden either machine and have no idea how they compare has absolutely no bearing on my opinion.

I'm Triumph through and through, more biased if that's possible, than the Yamaha man. I've had an aching heart ever since I first read of the 1200XE and saw the pics, because I know I'll never own one.  :drif:  :'(

Until I saw the vids.  :-\ and saw the rider's thumb typing away furiously on the control buttons and heard him going on about all the settings and modes.
Now my heart is no longer aching because I don't want one any more.  :peepwall:

Where's the days when my Suzuki GT750 came out with a digital gear position indicator, and the testers laughed it off as "idiot lights". :imaposer: They would die today!

 
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Would love to try one: agreed that it doesn't look like it's directly taking aim at the 950SE or HP2 crown, but I do like that it has a 21" front wheel. Taking on the HP2 would work out as well as the kid's plan in Deadpool 2, of shanking the meanest guy in prison.
Whether or not it makes that huge a difference in a large, heavy, powerful bike, it is a statement of intent.
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Would love to try one: agreed that it doesn't look like it's directly taking aim at the 950SE or HP2 crown, but I do like that it has a 21" front wheel. Taking on the HP2 would work out as well as the kid's plan in Deadpool 2, of shanking the meanest guy in prison.
Whether or not it makes that huge a difference in a large, heavy, powerful bike, it is a statement of intent.
When summer comes, I will take a Triumph to Atlantis. If all goes well, I'll take it out, too.
I have to go along that day.  I am still no 1 in your fan club, even if all the stunts are performed with 'my' HP...

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Would love to try one: agreed that it doesn't look like it's directly taking aim at the 950SE or HP2 crown, but I do like that it has a 21" front wheel. Taking on the HP2 would work out as well as the kid's plan in Deadpool 2, of shanking the meanest guy in prison.
Whether or not it makes that huge a difference in a large, heavy, powerful bike, it is a statement of intent.
When summer comes, I will take a Triumph to Atlantis. If all goes well, I'll take it out, too.
I have to go along that day.  I am still no 1 in your fan club, even if all the stunts are performed with 'my' HP...

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Stats shows Triumph having 30mm more fork travel than the SE......

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You sure? Both 250mm?
HP2 270mm

Travel obviously not everything
the 250mm WP on the KTM is much better than the 270mm Marzocchi (??) on the BMW
Danie could have told you that without coming within 1500km's of the bikes.  :ricky:
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Sadly, I am unable to comment on the stock HP2 suspension. Oh well :pot:
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Stats shows Triumph having 30mm more fork travel than the SE......

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You sure? Both 250mm?
HP2 270mm

Travel obviously not everything
the 250mm WP on the KTM is much better than the 270mm Marzocchi (??) on the BMW
Danie could have told you that without coming within 1500km's of the bikes.  :ricky:

All the SE's I know of is still on standard suspension. :ricky: :ricky: because that is so good.
 

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