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Re: Debate from Ride Report about Eco impact
« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2019, 10:38:53 am »
This feels like a public hit below the belt towards a good man with, from everything I've read, a top shelf tour operation.

This should have been discussed via phone call, private meeting, or private email.

I haven't ridden NAM yet, but when I do, if I choose to do it with a tour company, Hardy is gonna get my cash.

I don't like to read this horse shit, I'm tired, I'm going to bed.

Quit bellyaching, there's much worse things to be concerned about.

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This feels like a public hit below the belt towards a good man with, from everything I've read, a top shelf tour operation.

This should have been discussed via phone call, private meeting, or private email.

I haven't ridden NAM yet, but when I do, if I choose to do it with a tour company, Hardy is gonna get my cash.

I don't like to read this horse shit, I'm tired, I'm going to bed.

Quit bellyaching, there's much worse things to be concerned about.

Ciao

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Re: Debate from Ride Report about Eco impact
« Reply #21 on: August 19, 2019, 12:34:11 pm »
My uncle and father did Kaokoland/Kunene most years for ±20 years. One of the things they said when I first joined is that you never make new tracks. That and leave nothing behind.

Seems reasonable and I'm sure Hardy would convey the message as such, nobody wants extreme negative attention on social media if you are singled out for spoiling the environment.
 

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Re: Debate from Ride Report about Eco impact
« Reply #22 on: August 19, 2019, 12:40:24 pm »
My uncle and father did Kaokoland/Kunene most years for ±20 years. One of the things they said when I first joined is that you never make new tracks. That and leave nothing behind.

Seems reasonable and I'm sure Hardy would convey the message as such, nobody wants extreme negative attention on social media if you are singled out for spoiling the environment.

But if someone did not make new tracks way back you would not have had those tracks to ride on.
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Re: Debate from Ride Report about Eco impact
« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2019, 01:31:32 pm »
My uncle and father did Kaokoland/Kunene most years for ±20 years. One of the things they said when I first joined is that you never make new tracks. That and leave nothing behind.

Seems reasonable and I'm sure Hardy would convey the message as such, nobody wants extreme negative attention on social media if you are singled out for spoiling the environment.

But if someone did not make new tracks way back you would not have had those tracks to ride on.

My uncle was a GP in Nam when he was younger, and his company car was a Cessna. He flew over Kaokoland for fun. He plotted routes on paper maps and landed where he could get fuel. Quite possibly he was the bliksem that created the first tracks in some areas  ;D Never owned a GPS, jy draai agter daai donker berg links  ;)

Was very serious about not gooing shortcut and creating new tracks, riverbeds were fair game though. Bewaar jou siel as jy 'n papiertjie laat lê!
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Re: Debate from Ride Report about Eco impact
« Reply #24 on: August 19, 2019, 02:59:00 pm »
My uncle and father did Kaokoland/Kunene most years for ±20 years. One of the things they said when I first joined is that you never make new tracks. That and leave nothing behind.

Seems reasonable and I'm sure Hardy would convey the message as such, nobody wants extreme negative attention on social media if you are singled out for spoiling the environment.

But if someone did not make new tracks way back you would not have had those tracks to ride on.

My uncle was a GP in Nam when he was younger, and his company car was a Cessna. He flew over Kaokoland for fun. He plotted routes on paper maps and landed where he could get fuel. Quite possibly he was the bliksem that created the first tracks in some areas  ;D Never owned a GPS, jy draai agter daai donker berg links  ;)

Was very serious about not gooing shortcut and creating new tracks, riverbeds were fair game though. Bewaar jou siel as jy 'n papiertjie laat lê!

I understand the sentiment, but its a futile argument because someone has to ride somewhere  first for there to be tracks. We've done our best to destroy this planet since we set foot on it ( and left tracks  :lol8: ) why stop now  :-\
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Re: Debate from Ride Report about Eco impact
« Reply #25 on: August 19, 2019, 03:02:28 pm »
My uncle and father did Kaokoland/Kunene most years for ±20 years. One of the things they said when I first joined is that you never make new tracks. That and leave nothing behind.

Seems reasonable and I'm sure Hardy would convey the message as such, nobody wants extreme negative attention on social media if you are singled out for spoiling the environment.

But if someone did not make new tracks way back you would not have had those tracks to ride on.

My uncle was a GP in Nam when he was younger, and his company car was a Cessna. He flew over Kaokoland for fun. He plotted routes on paper maps and landed where he could get fuel. Quite possibly he was the bliksem that created the first tracks in some areas  ;D Never owned a GPS, jy draai agter daai donker berg links  ;)

Was very serious about not gooing shortcut and creating new tracks, riverbeds were fair game though. Bewaar jou siel as jy 'n papiertjie laat lê!

I understand the sentiment, but its a futile argument because someone has to ride somewhere  first for there to be tracks. We've done our best to destroy this planet since we set foot on it ( and left tracks  :lol8: ) why stop now  :-\

Global warming is gonna get us anyway!

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Re: Debate from Ride Report about Eco impact
« Reply #26 on: August 19, 2019, 03:12:59 pm »
My uncle and father did Kaokoland/Kunene most years for ±20 years. One of the things they said when I first joined is that you never make new tracks. That and leave nothing behind.

Seems reasonable and I'm sure Hardy would convey the message as such, nobody wants extreme negative attention on social media if you are singled out for spoiling the environment.

Global warming is gonna get us anyway!

Might as well go out spinning  :thumleft:

But if someone did not make new tracks way back you would not have had those tracks to ride on.

My uncle was a GP in Nam when he was younger, and his company car was a Cessna. He flew over Kaokoland for fun. He plotted routes on paper maps and landed where he could get fuel. Quite possibly he was the bliksem that created the first tracks in some areas  ;D Never owned a GPS, jy draai agter daai donker berg links  ;)

Was very serious about not gooing shortcut and creating new tracks, riverbeds were fair game though. Bewaar jou siel as jy 'n papiertjie laat lê!

I understand the sentiment, but its a futile argument because someone has to ride somewhere  first for there to be tracks. We've done our best to destroy this planet since we set foot on it ( and left tracks  :lol8: ) why stop now  :-\

Exactly. Like the oke who tells me smoking is going to kill me. I ride a bike daily  Boet. You really think my smoking bothers me
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Re: Debate from Ride Report about Eco impact
« Reply #27 on: August 19, 2019, 04:10:41 pm »
All though I do get your reasoning :thumleft: wil ek darem maar tot jou verdediging sê. Ons weet jy is nie regtig die poepol wat dit sal gaan doen net omdat nie :lol8:
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Re: Debate from Ride Report about Eco impact
« Reply #28 on: August 19, 2019, 05:48:51 pm »
Ek het geen twyfel dat Hardy n etiese operator is! Alhoewel dit goed is om gereeld herinner te word aan die sensitiwiteit van daardie ekosisteem..

Threads soos hierdie dien n goeie doel imo..
« Last Edit: August 19, 2019, 05:49:39 pm by Fransw »
 
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Re: Debate from Ride Report about Eco impact
« Reply #29 on: August 19, 2019, 10:52:52 pm »
Seeing that this comment got put on a public forum, I don't mind piping up to share my views.

I was fortunate enough to be a part of the 2018 Honda Quest and got first hand experience of the professionalism and organisation of Hardy and his Specialised Adventures. Other than Hardy and his crew being first and foremost concerned with the participants' (and instructor riders') safety, they were extremely (and I mean EXTREMELY) aware of the surroundings, fauna and flora, locals and supporting local businesses and communities that we passed through. We often stopped and spoke about where we were, what the significance of the area was in our history, the people native to the area, the plants that grew there. It was super interesting and intriguing to know all of these details and understand where we were on this amazing planet.

And for the record, what a KAK thing to do and go and post a comment to start a thread like this... That's bad form. You got an issue with a ou? Go speak to that ou. Why does everyone need to hear your bad opinion on something/someone?

I've heard it said before:
Opinions are like arseholes. Everyone's got one. And most of them stink.

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Re: Debate from Ride Report about Eco impact
« Reply #30 on: August 20, 2019, 07:30:27 am »
Seeing that this comment got put on a public forum, I don't mind piping up to share my views.

I was fortunate enough to be a part of the 2018 Honda Quest and got first hand experience of the professionalism and organisation of Hardy and his Specialised Adventures. Other than Hardy and his crew being first and foremost concerned with the participants' (and instructor riders') safety, they were extremely (and I mean EXTREMELY) aware of the surroundings, fauna and flora, locals and supporting local businesses and communities that we passed through. We often stopped and spoke about where we were, what the significance of the area was in our history, the people native to the area, the plants that grew there. It was super interesting and intriguing to know all of these details and understand where we were on this amazing planet.

And for the record, what a KAK thing to do and go and post a comment to start a thread like this... That's bad form. You got an issue with a ou? Go speak to that ou. Why does everyone need to hear your bad opinion on something/someone?

I've heard it said before:
Opinions are like arseholes. Everyone's got one. And most of them stink.

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I tend to disagree on the public sharing part.  Matters like environment must be put out there or all to see, debate and partake in.  It is that important.

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Re: Debate from Ride Report about Eco impact
« Reply #31 on: August 20, 2019, 07:47:54 am »
Seeing that this comment got put on a public forum, I don't mind piping up to share my views.

I was fortunate enough to be a part of the 2018 Honda Quest and got first hand experience of the professionalism and organisation of Hardy and his Specialised Adventures. Other than Hardy and his crew being first and foremost concerned with the participants' (and instructor riders') safety, they were extremely (and I mean EXTREMELY) aware of the surroundings, fauna and flora, locals and supporting local businesses and communities that we passed through. We often stopped and spoke about where we were, what the significance of the area was in our history, the people native to the area, the plants that grew there. It was super interesting and intriguing to know all of these details and understand where we were on this amazing planet.

And for the record, what a KAK thing to do and go and post a comment to start a thread like this... That's bad form. You got an issue with a ou? Go speak to that ou. Why does everyone need to hear your bad opinion on something/someone?

I've heard it said before:
Opinions are like arseholes. Everyone's got one. And most of them stink.

Views shared. :thumleft:

What?

Do people post their opinions on the interweb without regard for other people's feelings? 

Who would do such a thing...???
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Re: Debate from Ride Report about Eco impact
« Reply #32 on: August 20, 2019, 07:49:57 am »
I know Hardy personally, and I cannot think that a man like him, and especially from a long-term business point of view, would allow his touring area to be damaged.

In a group like this, it is sometimes difficult, no impossible, to actually ensure that there is not going to be one or two that slips up a dune, or across a plain where they shouldn't.

WildWood and Specialised adventures are two companies that I know well, and both are nature loving people who will never do anything to harm the environment.

But.....the concern for the environment by the guys "complaining" is noted and appreciated.

Agree 100% , as with Dan , I know Hardy and John ( Wildwood ) , and while I haven't done any of their rides , just talking to them I have always gotten the impression that they are very concerned about the environment . As I was also taught , stick to existing tracks and leave behind nothing but footprints .x
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Re: Debate from Ride Report about Eco impact
« Reply #33 on: August 20, 2019, 07:50:02 am »
Seeing that this comment got put on a public forum, I don't mind piping up to share my views.

I was fortunate enough to be a part of the 2018 Honda Quest and got first hand experience of the professionalism and organisation of Hardy and his Specialised Adventures. Other than Hardy and his crew being first and foremost concerned with the participants' (and instructor riders') safety, they were extremely (and I mean EXTREMELY) aware of the surroundings, fauna and flora, locals and supporting local businesses and communities that we passed through. We often stopped and spoke about where we were, what the significance of the area was in our history, the people native to the area, the plants that grew there. It was super interesting and intriguing to know all of these details and understand where we were on this amazing planet.

And for the record, what a KAK thing to do and go and post a comment to start a thread like this... That's bad form. You got an issue with a ou? Go speak to that ou. Why does everyone need to hear your bad opinion on something/someone?

I've heard it said before:
Opinions are like arseholes. Everyone's got one. And most of them stink.

Views shared. :thumleft:

What?

Do people post their opinions on the interweb without regard for other people's feelings? 

Who would do such a thing...???

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Re: Debate from Ride Report about Eco impact
« Reply #34 on: August 20, 2019, 07:59:48 am »
As a soon to be new rider, I'd say that OP sharing his opinion is quite important to me.

I can honestly say that I could've been that guy carelessly wrecking the countryside willy nilly if I didn't see this and see the importance of preservation. Even if it was done a bit aggressively, I believe it was done for the all rider's good. I definitely have a goal to go on one of Hardy's adventures and I'm glad that if anything this has just shown everyone his stance on environmental preservation.

All's well that ends well.
« Last Edit: August 20, 2019, 08:00:13 am by Spectaitor »
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Re: Debate from Ride Report about Eco impact
« Reply #35 on: August 20, 2019, 08:53:46 am »
I do a LOT of plastic riding in and around the Western Cape, mainly 250cc 4T riding.

I belong to an abnormally large amount of riding groups and I can tell you that every now and again these debates come up. The debate, is simple.. motorbikes cause damage to the environment especially when the guys get very heavy handed with their wrist.

I've seen it all, guys cutting fences to get to a farmers koppie, guys on dirtbikes riding bicycle trails.. you name it guys on bikes are doing it.

I tried to preserve a riding area that has been ridden with respect for years until a group of MX riders found it and decided to make their own personal racing track out of it.. they stuffed up the whole area in about 3 months. I've seen guys almost come to blows over a small riding area in Malmsbury because a group of riders found some guys secret riding spot and it subsequently got fenced off.

This thread is no different. No matter what, you will get tour operators like Hardy who  in my opinion take their environment very seriously and you will get tour operators who cannot always control every rider.

In the end, we all have a responsibility and the best way to ensure that is through education. A lot of guys entering the adventure touring market just see a big piece of land, they dont understand the environmental impact of riding around in dunes or on flats.

I think these threads can be used for education in a positive way.

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Having also been involved with enduro's and also actively involved with planning and plotting Enduro loops for competition and funduro purposes I realised that the problem is not the organised events but what we called weekend warriors . These are the people that would ride on terrain in the weeks after an event . But not only on the set tracks but often making their own tracks as well . It was quite common for us to receive phone calls from irate farmers complaining to us about said weekend warriors , we lost a lot of venues as a result of these inconsiderate people .
So it is with Namibia and other places , it is not the organised groups but rather the informal crowd that are creating a problem for all in the future .
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Re: Debate from Ride Report about Eco impact
« Reply #36 on: August 20, 2019, 10:22:38 am »
I feel I have to confess, I once rode over a clump of daisies. :'(

It was traumatic, for the daisies.
 

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Re: Debate from Ride Report about Eco impact
« Reply #37 on: August 20, 2019, 10:33:18 am »
I feel I have to confess, I once rode over a clump of daisies. :'(

It was traumatic, for the daisies.

I am one up on you Dan , I rode over an HP2 once  :biggrin:
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Re: Debate from Ride Report about Eco impact
« Reply #38 on: August 20, 2019, 10:49:50 am »
I do a LOT of plastic riding in and around the Western Cape, mainly 250cc 4T riding.

I belong to an abnormally large amount of riding groups and I can tell you that every now and again these debates come up. The debate, is simple.. motorbikes cause damage to the environment especially when the guys get very heavy handed with their wrist.

I've seen it all, guys cutting fences to get to a farmers koppie, guys on dirtbikes riding bicycle trails.. you name it guys on bikes are doing it.

I tried to preserve a riding area that has been ridden with respect for years until a group of MX riders found it and decided to make their own personal racing track out of it.. they stuffed up the whole area in about 3 months. I've seen guys almost come to blows over a small riding area in Malmsbury because a group of riders found some guys secret riding spot and it subsequently got fenced off.

This thread is no different. No matter what, you will get tour operators like Hardy who  in my opinion take their environment very seriously and you will get tour operators who cannot always control every rider.

In the end, we all have a responsibility and the best way to ensure that is through education. A lot of guys entering the adventure touring market just see a big piece of land, they dont understand the environmental impact of riding around in dunes or on flats.

I think these threads can be used for education in a positive way.

.

Having also been involved with enduro's and also actively involved with planning and plotting Enduro loops for competition and funduro purposes I realised that the problem is not the organised events but what we called weekend warriors . These are the people that would ride on terrain in the weeks after an event . But not only on the set tracks but often making their own tracks as well . It was quite common for us to receive phone calls from irate farmers complaining to us about said weekend warriors , we lost a lot of venues as a result of these inconsiderate people .
So it is with Namibia and other places , it is not the organised groups but rather the informal crowd that are creating a problem for all in the future .

Exactly , which is why when you see a lot of guys posting on facebook about their rides they will not share the location because we all know.. as soon as you share your little slice of riding heaven 50 okes will pitch up and completly mess the place up.

Its generally not the organisers fault, its the okes who simply don't think when they ride, then you throw in entitlement and ego and that's when farmers come out swinging their golf clubs at passing riders.
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Re: Debate from Ride Report about Eco impact
« Reply #39 on: August 20, 2019, 10:57:45 am »
I am one up on you Dan , I rode over an HP2 once  :biggrin:

well done and congratulations!
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