Debate from Ride Report about Eco impact

[Gerrard]

I ride on tar. (it is of course irrelevant that the tar was laid over once pristine country side, now for ever spoiled)

[BuRP]

I am one up on you Dan

Most of us have Dux, as we're not allergic to and can tolerate round emblems with the colours white, black and blue

[2StrokeDan]

I am one up on you Dan , I rode over an HP2 once 

well done and congratulations!
 

Must have felt like climbing a mountain.

[2StrokeDan]

I ride on tar. (it is of course irrelevant that the tar was laid over once pristine country side, now for ever spoiled)

  a few evenings ago, a friend of my wife was ranting about some ecological disaster, and I was thinking "ow, here you sit and moan about the ecology, yet you fly overseas at least 4 times a year"

In the worst-polluting vehicles on earth.

[Dux]

I ride on tar. (it is of course irrelevant that the tar was laid over once pristine country side, now for ever spoiled)

  a few evenings ago, a friend of my wife was ranting about some ecological disaster, and I was thinking "ow, here you sit and moan about the ecology, yet you fly overseas at least 4 times a year"

In the worst-polluting vehicles on earth.

It is like the vegetarian that was berating me for murdering animals , she shut up very quickly when I asked her where the leather for her handbag came from   

[Cracker]

No way, I can't believe ........................... you got a righteous woman to shut up?

[Highsider]

Hi guys, please educate me a bit on this tracks in the desert thing...  am I reading it right that tracks left on the Desert are offensive / wrong because of the AESTHETIC “impact” and not because of any “legitimate” environmental impact like some endangered daisy or dung beetle which happens to populate such spaces 1 per 1000 square km?
Have we become so ignorant as to believe that the earth needs to be preserved as is for future generations, that we really have control over it?  Mankind has in total only been in existence on earth for a minute tiny infinitesimal fraction of the billions and billions of years of earths  existence.  Had we been around for any significant period of time we would have seen with dismay the same area turn from rainforest to desert, from mountains to seabeds and so on for eons into the distant past, in time frames we cannot begin to comprehend, and so it will be into the future, long after mankind has ceased to exist. 
So please educate me because I’m struggling to understand how a few tracks left in the desert will collapse an entire ecosystem and cause the world to disintegrate.


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[DirtRebell]

Jammer ek heti geweti

[Straatkat]

Ok so what I take away from this is that we are all hypocrites to some degree, Gerrard rides on tar roads, thereby spoiling the pristine countryside it was built on, and some vegetarian chick is using leather stuff even though she deplores the killing of animals....and Cracker has something to say about that! Very sad world out there. Oh I almost forgot, Hardy is responsible for organizing tours that give some guys the time of their lives, but in doing so he can now be blamed for global warming.

[Gerrard]

Ok so what I take away from this is that we are all hypocrites to some degree, Gerrard rides on tar roads, thereby spoiling the pristine countryside it was built on, and some vegetarian chick is using leather stuff even though she deplores the killing of animals....and Cracker has something to say about that! Very sad world out there. Oh I almost forgot, Hardy is responsible for organizing tours that give some guys the time of their lives, but in doing so he can now be blamed for global warming.

En dan is daar die pragtige berge wat opgegrawe word om die staal te kry sodat jy vir ons sulke mooi messe kan maak. 

[DRAZIL]

In a thousand years , some archaeologist will say those tracks were from a white tribe of nomads mass immigrating from a wild lawless country.
It will become a protected area.
 

[VaalBaas]

In a thousand years , some archaeologist will say those tracks were from a white tribe of nomads mass immigrating from a wild lawless country.
It will become a protected area.
 

Trust a WD to turn a - into a +

[BuRP]

In the worst-polluting vehicles on earth.

Ehh no, that will be the large ships cruising our oceans.
Per person a plane uses less fuel than one does in a car, came also as a surprise for me.
Mind though, if that plane is spraying chemicals along the way (chemtrails) for unknown reasons and/or climate control then yeah, I agree with that statement.

[Fuzzy Muzzy]

Ok so what I take away from this is that we are all hypocrites to some degree, Gerrard rides on tar roads, thereby spoiling the pristine countryside it was built on, and some vegetarian chick is using leather stuff even though she deplores the killing of animals....and Cracker has something to say about that! Very sad world out there. Oh I almost forgot, Hardy is responsible for organizing tours that give some guys the time of their lives, but in doing so he can now be blamed for global warming.

That about covers it.. I do enjoy a good debate every now and again but it is very difficult to win a debate about preserving an area where motorbikes have churned up some soil but the suburb that that I live in has systematically been flattened, destroying every last living creature so that they can have yet another mall or row of factories.

The debate will simply rage on but development will always win.

[Sláinte Mhaith]

It just feels wrong to ride up and down a virgin hill like this with vegetation just for kicks.

[Sláinte Mhaith]

Hi guys, please educate me a bit on this tracks in the desert thing...  am I reading it right that tracks left on the Desert are offensive / wrong because of the AESTHETIC “impact” and not because of any “legitimate” environmental impact like some endangered daisy or dung beetle which happens to populate such spaces 1 per 1000 square km?
Have we become so ignorant as to believe that the earth needs to be preserved as is for future generations, that we really have control over it?  Mankind has in total only been in existence on earth for a minute tiny infinitesimal fraction of the billions and billions of years of earths  existence.  Had we been around for any significant period of time we would have seen with dismay the same area turn from rainforest to desert, from mountains to seabeds and so on for eons into the distant past, in time frames we cannot begin to comprehend, and so it will be into the future, long after mankind has ceased to exist. 
So please educate me because I’m struggling to understand how a few tracks left in the desert will collapse an entire ecosystem and cause the world to disintegrate.

The environment is an emotional thing and our opinions and reactions are probably learned actions.  But I also sometimes wonder if we are ignoring the bigger picture.

What if a virgin dune like above is just flattened by vehicles.  What is the real impact of that on a bigger scale?

[Grunder]

Hi guys, please educate me a bit on this tracks in the desert thing...  am I reading it right that tracks left on the Desert are offensive / wrong because of the AESTHETIC “impact” and not because of any “legitimate” environmental impact like some endangered daisy or dung beetle which happens to populate such spaces 1 per 1000 square km?
Have we become so ignorant as to believe that the earth needs to be preserved as is for future generations, that we really have control over it?  Mankind has in total only been in existence on earth for a minute tiny infinitesimal fraction of the billions and billions of years of earths  existence.  Had we been around for any significant period of time we would have seen with dismay the same area turn from rainforest to desert, from mountains to seabeds and so on for eons into the distant past, in time frames we cannot begin to comprehend, and so it will be into the future, long after mankind has ceased to exist. 
So please educate me because I’m struggling to understand how a few tracks left in the desert will collapse an entire ecosystem and cause the world to disintegrate.

The environment is an emotional thing and our opinions and reactions are probably learned actions.  But I also sometimes wonder if we are ignoring the bigger picture.

What if a virgin dune like above is just flattened by vehicles.  What is the real impact of that on a bigger scale?

Daar bly soos goggas en shit daar.

Wat as iemand net jou huis kom plat ry (en die aarde demolish) om 'n galactic highway te kom bou 

[Sláinte Mhaith]

The environment is an emotional thing and our opinions and reactions are probably learned actions.  But I also sometimes wonder if we are ignoring the bigger picture.

What if a virgin dune like above is just flattened by vehicles.  What is the real impact of that on a bigger scale?

Daar bly soos goggas en shit daar.

Wat as iemand net jou huis kom plat ry (en die aarde demolish) om 'n galactic highway te kom bou 

 

Daar was ook plante en goggas en shit waar ek my huis gebou het, en hoeveel nuwe ontwikkelings gaan op orals.  Dieselfde met nuwe paaie en ander infrastruktuur.

Wat van die natuur homself. Een dag is daar nog 'n strand en die volgende dag is dit weg agv 'n storm.  Maar ons mag nie op die strand spore los nie agv die diertjies.


Ok Ek se nie ons kan maar alles opneuk nie. Dis goed dat mense in toom gehou word met al die reels en dinge. Maar ek wonder maar ook wat ons rerig bereik? 

[KaTooMatt]

It seems the controversial areas are
11:36 - 11:50 on Day 7 Marble to Puros camps
16:09 - 17:31 on Day 8 Puros to Puros

Maybe the guys involved can let us know where these areas really are. Day 8 it is possible high spirits got the better of common sense. Knowing this could ensure it does not happen again. On the other hand it may be you are allowed to ride there. It also seems that finding the correct track is not always totallly clear.

If Hardy was not on a bike I doubt he could be everywhere all the time. Possibly this means he can't give his bike up. This would definitely mean the loss for some future rider. It seems on the distances travelled through the conditions there bikes break down and Hardy and his gang do their best to keep the riders on a bike as far as possible.

It certainly seemed like an awesome trip.

[Grunder]

En wat van Robert Frost se gedig "The road not taken" ?

"I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference."

Ek dag dis die doel van exploring.   

Dankie vir niks Robert!!!!