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Offline dustlover

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Non - OEM brake pads
« on: September 10, 2019, 02:59:12 pm »
I am about to replace my brake pads on my 2015 GS 1200 Adv LC.

I was thinking of buying a third party supplier part. I see the options seem to be a choice between Galfer and SBS. Does anybody here have experience of these brands and a recommendation? Or experience or recommendation of any others?

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Re: Non - OEM brake pads
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2019, 03:14:01 pm »
I've got SBS ceramics on my Brutale and so far am very happy with the performance so far.
 Weren't the cheapest and I had to order, but compared to OEM dealer price at the time I'd consider them a bargain
Going to try a set on the AT which are due for replacement soon.

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Re: Non - OEM brake pads
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2019, 03:23:45 pm »
Thanks. What calipers do you have? Brembos?
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Re: Non - OEM brake pads
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2019, 03:24:26 pm »
I run sbs on the tiger and husky, never had any issues with them at all. Tigers recently changed and I think there may be slightly more bite Vs OEM, but it's possible that I'm imagining it.

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Re: Non - OEM brake pads
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2019, 03:30:13 pm »
Thanks. Are they sintered?
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Re: Non - OEM brake pads
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2019, 03:48:27 pm »
Ya, the sintered pads. Threw out the packaging but  definitely remember that much


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Re: Non - OEM brake pads
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2019, 03:50:29 pm »
For reference the husky is Brembo, and the tiger is Nissin

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Re: Non - OEM brake pads
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2019, 04:01:50 pm »
Thanks. Quite reassuring. Just need to make sure. Stopping can be quite important.   ;D
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Re: Non - OEM brake pads
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2019, 04:08:17 pm »
SBS.....never a problem. Not the cheapest, but very decent, you can sleep with ease.
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Re: Non - OEM brake pads
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2019, 04:17:52 pm »
Ah, I see you have a GS in your avatar.  That the bike you used SBS on?
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Re: Non - OEM brake pads
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2019, 04:39:10 pm »
SBS on my 800 GS
Sintered, remember to buy two sets for the front.
 
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Re: Non - OEM brake pads
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2019, 08:42:32 am »
Too lazy to Google: What does "sintered" mean?
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Re: Non - OEM brake pads
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2019, 08:47:30 am »
I am about to replace my brake pads on my 2015 GS 1200 Adv LC.

I was thinking of buying a third party supplier part. I see the options seem to be a choice between Galfer and SBS. Does anybody here have experience of these brands and a recommendation? Or experience or recommendation of any others?

Cheers.

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Re: Non - OEM brake pads
« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2019, 08:49:08 am »
Too lazy to Google: What does "sintered" mean?

I experienced a spurt of energy, so I Googled for us.  :thumleft:

sintered
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produced by or subjected to sintering (the process of coalescing a powdered material into a solid or porous mass by means of heating without liquefaction).
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Re: Non - OEM brake pads
« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2019, 08:53:37 am »
Sintered pads tend to wear discs more than ordinary pads.  8)
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Re: Non - OEM brake pads
« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2019, 09:02:29 am »
I always thought an essential part of sintered pads was the addition of metal particles.

Therefore the extra wear on the discs mentioned above..

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Re: Non - OEM brake pads
« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2019, 09:23:15 am »
For shits and giggles, how much does BMW charge for brake pads these days?

When I had my 1200 their prices were laughable so interested what they are now.

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Re: Non - OEM brake pads
« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2019, 09:29:04 am »
Sintered pads tend to wear discs more than ordinary pads.

That may be true Welsh, but they also tend to brake better  ;)

Imagine sintering as compressing cooked loose rice grains into a shaped cup.
The rice grains will all deform a little and stick to each other, and thus will form a clump the size of the cup.
Rice won't be strong though, but sintered metals are - a good example is hard-metal tooltips (chisels!) for a lathe for instance.
Sintered pads contain a lot of metal granules which, under pressure & heat both, bond to each other, a kind of welding.
They also bond to the backing plate making for a strong unit, and the pad itself will be a bit porous (also normal pads btw).
This porosity will allow grease and oil to ingress, and this obviously will reduce the friction coefficient hence the braking efficiency.
Ceramic compounds also can be sintered, and mixes of metallic & ceramics do exist.

So-called organic pads (often standard pads) are softer (softest), are kinder to the disk but generate less heat i.e tend to brake less than harder sintered pads. They also tend to be cheaper but wear quicker. I wore a new set out in 1 day riding in a sandy wet riverbed, and had I had sintered pads this would not have happened.
Horses for courses with pads - for instance, if you're doing trackdays then mount the correct sintered one's, your rear wheel will come off the deck!  ;)
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Re: Non - OEM brake pads
« Reply #18 on: September 11, 2019, 09:55:24 am »
Informative, thanks. Begs a question, though:

Are the OEM BMW pads sintered?
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Re: Non - OEM brake pads
« Reply #19 on: September 11, 2019, 10:17:19 am »
Are the OEM BMW pads sintered?

No idea, perhaps look at them first? If a lot of metallic flakes are visible or when they look like 'metal' then probably yes, but if these are far and few then probably  not.
But why you wanna know?
If you want better/improved braking then mount what the - aftermarket - manufacturer recommends, and this likely will be a sintered compound.
If you want less costly than OEM then basically do same, but then these may well be organic types.

On disc-wear there's no freebee's here, keep in mind that discs also are consumables (same like your chain  ;) )!
Mind though, they wear way less than pads do obviously, so I'd not worry about this.
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