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Re: CRF1100 Africa Twin - Welcome back Honda!
« Reply #40 on: September 27, 2019, 08:21:46 am »
Beautiful bike indeed! Butttt- electronics now the same as my 2015 1190S. Less power. 20kg more??????

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Butttt this is a Honda .....
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Re: CRF1100 Africa Twin - Welcome back Honda!
« Reply #41 on: September 27, 2019, 08:42:37 am »
Beautifull, but chain drive, to much of chain cleaning for me.
 

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Re: CRF1100 Africa Twin - Welcome back Honda!
« Reply #42 on: September 27, 2019, 10:08:14 am »
Speaking as a happy AT owner...

I bought it precisely because it did not have all the electronic gadgets, with their related cost and complexity.

Of all the bells and whistles on the new models, the only feature I wish I had is tubeless tyres.
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Re: CRF1100 Africa Twin - Welcome back Honda!
« Reply #43 on: September 27, 2019, 10:31:29 am »
Beautifull, but chain drive, to much of chain cleaning for me.

Only the serious adventure machines run chains.... ;) :lol8:
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Re: CRF1100 Africa Twin - Welcome back Honda!
« Reply #44 on: September 27, 2019, 10:32:38 am »
Speaking as a happy AT owner...

I bought it precisely because it did not have all the electronic gadgets, with their related cost and complexity.

Of all the bells and whistles on the new models, the only feature I wish I had is tubeless tyres.

Agree 100 % with you
 

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Re: CRF1100 Africa Twin - Welcome back Honda!
« Reply #45 on: September 27, 2019, 11:15:30 am »
When can we expect these in RSA.
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Re: CRF1100 Africa Twin - Welcome back Honda!
« Reply #46 on: September 27, 2019, 11:28:35 am »
Beautifull, but chain drive, to much of chain cleaning for me.

Only the serious adventure machines run chains.... ;) :lol8:
I totally agree with you ;) ;)

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Re: CRF1100 Africa Twin - Welcome back Honda!
« Reply #47 on: September 27, 2019, 11:30:39 am »
When can we expect these in RSA.

Only after the Yamaha T7 has been released here.






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Re: CRF1100 Africa Twin - Welcome back Honda!
« Reply #48 on: September 27, 2019, 11:33:34 am »
When can we expect these in RSA.

Only after the Yamaha T7 has been released here.

Ja, right, and that can take a while.  :spitcoffee:












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Re: CRF1100 Africa Twin - Welcome back Honda!
« Reply #49 on: September 27, 2019, 12:42:19 pm »
Speaking as a happy AT owner...

I bought it precisely because it did not have all the electronic gadgets, with their related cost and complexity.

Of all the bells and whistles on the new models, the only feature I wish I had is tubeless tyres.

Agreed. If the Mark 1 had tubeless tyres and a 23lt tank from the start it would be perfect for the majority of AT riders today. R25k for Alpine rims and R600 for a fuel bladder is what it cost me to ‘fix’ it. But that 1100 Adv looks sooo cool!
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Re: CRF1100 Africa Twin - Welcome back Honda!
« Reply #50 on: September 27, 2019, 12:58:07 pm »
Speaking as a happy AT owner...

I bought it precisely because it did not have all the electronic gadgets, with their related cost and complexity.

Of all the bells and whistles on the new models, the only feature I wish I had is tubeless tyres.

So no ABS, no traction control? , no electronic dashboard.. no sensors, no fuel injection?.. what electronics did'nt yours come with?  :ricky: Do you have the old AT? the 750?
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« Reply #51 on: September 27, 2019, 01:07:13 pm »

Agreed. If the Mark 1 had tubeless tyres and a 23lt tank from the start it would be perfect for the majority of AT riders today. R25k for Alpine rims and R600 for a fuel bladder is what it cost me to ‘fix’ it. But that 1100 Adv looks sooo cool!

I am the opposite again. If it came with the bigger tank and tubeless I would probably not have bought it.
The standard tank range is more than enough for me and tubes I just prefer.

But seems the new Adv will have the tubeless rims now, so buyers does have the option at least
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Re: CRF1100 Africa Twin - Welcome back Honda!
« Reply #52 on: September 27, 2019, 01:32:19 pm »
T7 cheaper, less electronics and 30kg lighter but different bike class
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Re: CRF1100 Africa Twin - Welcome back Honda!
« Reply #53 on: September 27, 2019, 01:36:31 pm »
When can we expect these in RSA.
My guess - before year-end...
Hardy gave us all an important somewhat hidden clue when speaking about this year's Quest...  :P
... and Honda has been quietly but surely getting rid of old stock for the past few months!!  :deal:
 

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Re: CRF1100 Africa Twin - Welcome back Honda!
« Reply #54 on: September 27, 2019, 01:45:16 pm »
When can we expect these in RSA.
@Herklaas   the bikes will be here in November.

This is a serious machine and Honda has went out of their way to answer all the questions and tick all the boxes.
Regarding the electronics, I am one of those okes that is always positive and believe in new technology. (it is 2019 after all). I don't think Honda would have put all of these electronics on a flagship model if they were not thoroughly tested.

Regarding the chain, that doesn't bother me at all.

I have a 2016 AT and I have used it properly and it has been 100% reliable.
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Re: CRF1100 Africa Twin - Welcome back Honda!
« Reply #55 on: September 27, 2019, 01:49:12 pm »
Speaking as a happy AT owner...

I bought it precisely because it did not have all the electronic gadgets, with their related cost and complexity.

Of all the bells and whistles on the new models, the only feature I wish I had is tubeless tyres.

Agreed. If the Mark 1 had tubeless tyres and a 23lt tank from the start it would be perfect for the majority of AT riders today. R25k for Alpine rims and R600 for a fuel bladder is what it cost me to ‘fix’ it. But that 1100 Adv looks sooo cool!

Yes, the Mark 1 and especially the Mark 2 version is awesome bikes !!!
But Honda's main competition (BM & KTM) has been doing the electronic wizardy thing for a number of years already - and both doing exceptionally well sales wise in the more important Euro market...
To be competative and profitable Honda just had to "up" their game...

What I personally appreciate is the fact that they didn't just blindly threw in a bunch of electronics - they also substantially improved the core of the bike!!  :thumleft: .... and that is not something Honda usually does so soon - like many they also do like just "bold new graphics & colours" ...
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« Reply #56 on: September 27, 2019, 01:54:10 pm »
All in all, it does look like a really good upgrade
Hopefully the tablet style screen will be easy to read when dusty

The slightly lower screen might help a bit with the buffeting as well.

I still miss my AT, and maybe this could be something to look at in the near future
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« Reply #57 on: September 27, 2019, 02:37:32 pm »

Agreed. If the Mark 1 had tubeless tyres and a 23lt tank from the start it would be perfect for the majority of AT riders today. R25k for Alpine rims and R600 for a fuel bladder is what it cost me to ‘fix’ it. But that 1100 Adv looks sooo cool!

I am the opposite again. If it came with the bigger tank and tubeless I would probably not have bought it.
The standard tank range is more than enough for me and tubes I just prefer.

But seems the new Adv will have the tubeless rims now, so buyers does have the option at least

On one of my trips to Nam I has 3 rear punctures in 6 hours ... traced to a minute piece of wire protruding into the inside only, that was when the tubeless rims decision was made. Tank wise, I find I am always in fuel save mode mentally. Coming off the S10 with it's 23lt tank and 360km before reserve was a pleasure for me. Plus I do not trust bladders not to leak ... 
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« Reply #58 on: September 27, 2019, 02:59:27 pm »
Question for Losper:??If you were to upgrade would you buy the DCT this time around?

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Re: CRF1100 Africa Twin - Welcome back Honda!
« Reply #59 on: September 27, 2019, 03:03:03 pm »
Speaking as a happy AT owner...

I bought it precisely because it did not have all the electronic gadgets, with their related cost and complexity.

Of all the bells and whistles on the new models, the only feature I wish I had is tubeless tyres.

So no ABS, no traction control? , no electronic dashboard.. no sensors, no fuel injection?.. what electronics did'nt yours come with?  :ricky: Do you have the old AT? the 750?

Definitely ABS - I have standards you know... 😛

Traction control as implemented on my 2017 is mostly a waste of money IMO. I switch if off completely on dirt.

My gripe is not with technology. It is not having the option to opt out of the expensive gadgets and complexity that most manufacturers bundle into a standard adventure bike package these days.

The 2016/2017 AT was refreshingly basic in that regard. The new Tenere T7 is similar. I like it.



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