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Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
« Reply #280 on: May 25, 2020, 07:30:34 pm »
OK here is my contribution after being asked by XT Joe to assist with the KZN section of the route.

My route runs from Amersfoort in the North to the start of Sani Pass.

It is a 2 day route, with a highly recommended overnight stop at Zingela, which is about half way through the route.

The route is 681km in length, it is probably 90% on dirt roads, it is all on public roads and should be fine for an average rider on a 1200.
@JonW , the route I have runs more to the west (Bezuidenhouts, Spioenkop, Bergville, Underberg etc) . Have you ridden this section and which one would you prefer ?

Sidetrack I am sure your route is cool, I think I have done most of those roads.

I prefer the route that I came up with because it takes you through the real KZN, past historic sites such as Rorkes Drift and through the bush of the Tugela Valley.

I can't see exactly where some of your route goes as you didn't post the gpx file, but I think a lot of it is on straight roads that go past miles of mielie fields, great if your objective is to get through as quickly as possible.

I wouldn't include Bezuidenhout's in the route, can get gnarly and may be too much for an average rider on a 1200.
Great thanks, real KZN sounds good  :thumleft:

This weekend I am going to do part of my route, from Weenen up towards Pomeroy.

Will take a few pics along the way.
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Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
« Reply #281 on: May 26, 2020, 09:15:32 am »
OK here is my contribution after being asked by XT Joe to assist with the KZN section of the route.

My route runs from Amersfoort in the North to the start of Sani Pass.

It is a 2 day route, with a highly recommended overnight stop at Zingela, which is about half way through the route.

The route is 681km in length, it is probably 90% on dirt roads, it is all on public roads and should be fine for an average rider on a 1200.
@JonW , the route I have runs more to the west (Bezuidenhouts, Spioenkop, Bergville, Underberg etc) . Have you ridden this section and which one would you prefer ?

Sidetrack I am sure your route is cool, I think I have done most of those roads.

I prefer the route that I came up with because it takes you through the real KZN, past historic sites such as Rorkes Drift and through the bush of the Tugela Valley.

I can't see exactly where some of your route goes as you didn't post the gpx file, but I think a lot of it is on straight roads that go past miles of mielie fields, great if your objective is to get through as quickly as possible.

I wouldn't include Bezuidenhout's in the route, can get gnarly and may be too much for an average rider on a 1200.
Great thanks, real KZN sounds good  :thumleft:

This weekend I am going to do part of my route, from Weenen up towards Pomeroy.

Will take a few pics along the way.
Great  :thumleft:
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Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
« Reply #282 on: May 26, 2020, 12:23:58 pm »
Updated TSAT south now includes Jon's KZN track. Limpopo part still to be confirmed but I think the rest is good to go. Small detour to Morgans Bay included for someone wanting to go to the sea on route
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Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
« Reply #283 on: May 26, 2020, 12:37:57 pm »
I see tt bypasses Transkei. I've never ridden there, but I understand it is prime riding world. Or is it too rough? A stop at hole in the wall would be a nice add-on.
 

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Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
« Reply #284 on: May 26, 2020, 12:39:57 pm »
Some advice from the guys who have ridden this. The Long Tom and southern Sudwala option I know well. There is also an route that one can take north (purple) which includes a bit of tar but takes you past Bourkes Luck, God's Window etc. More of a sight seeing cruise whilst the southern part is more dirt. Which option would you say ? Both leads to Hazyview and connects to the Kruger fence ride.
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Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
« Reply #285 on: May 26, 2020, 12:42:18 pm »
I see tt bypasses Transkei. I've never ridden there, but I understand it is prime riding world. Or is it too rough? A stop at hole in the wall would be a nice add-on.
It would but it might be out of the way a bit, still an option. Never ridden there so have to plot some routes.
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Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
« Reply #286 on: May 26, 2020, 12:49:04 pm »
I see tt bypasses Transkei. I've never ridden there, but I understand it is prime riding world. Or is it too rough? A stop at hole in the wall would be a nice add-on.
It would but it might be out of the way a bit, still an option. Never ridden there so have to plot some routes.

I would include those as POI or Accom options/detours.
Travellers can choose to go there, but it takes quite some time to travel safely.
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Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
« Reply #287 on: May 27, 2020, 11:03:41 am »
Lyk baie goed ...
Vraag ? why not incorporating the RSA most extreme points ; Pont Drif  border post in the north , Kosi Bay border post in the east, La Agulhas in the south and Alexanderbaai in the west.
 

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Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
« Reply #288 on: May 27, 2020, 11:10:32 am »
Lyk baie goed ...
Vraag ? why not incorporating the RSA most extreme points ; Pont Drif  border post in the north , Kosi Bay border post in the east, La Agulhas in the south and Alexanderbaai in the west.
Cape Agulhas is in the southern route. Alexanderbaai in in the northern route. This is not really a 4 corners track more of a crossing SA one. The TAT is the same goes from East to West through the middle of the country. But yes many options.
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Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
« Reply #289 on: May 27, 2020, 11:29:22 am »
Some advice from the guys who have ridden this. The Long Tom and southern Sudwala option I know well. There is also an route that one can take north (purple) which includes a bit of tar but takes you past Bourkes Luck, God's Window etc. More of a sight seeing cruise whilst the southern part is more dirt. Which option would you say ? Both leads to Hazyview and connects to the Kruger fence ride.

sidetrack, the various options (all attactive!) that are being offered, got me thinking about how to present the TSAT and its options of your website, in a clear and concise manner. So I have the following idea (if it isn't workable, don't shoot me - I know buggerall about constructing websites or their functionalities!): Have an interactive map of South Africa, with the main route and all alternatives shown on it. Must be able to zoom in on the map, to see more detail in a selected area. Break up the trail into chunks (probably between major intersections, or on a typical day ride extent, or overnight points/towns, whatever basis that works). Then when the viewer hovers a mouse pointer (laptop) or click (phone) on a section, the basic info on that section/chunk pops up. Things like distance, typical time to complete, road/track conditions (also % tar vs gravel), scenic attractions, historical attractions, etc.)

Possible, or too much?
 

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Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
« Reply #290 on: May 27, 2020, 11:37:49 am »
Some advice from the guys who have ridden this. The Long Tom and southern Sudwala option I know well. There is also an route that one can take north (purple) which includes a bit of tar but takes you past Bourkes Luck, God's Window etc. More of a sight seeing cruise whilst the southern part is more dirt. Which option would you say ? Both leads to Hazyview and connects to the Kruger fence ride.

sidetrack, the various options (all attactive!) that are being offered, got me thinking about how to present the TSAT and its options of your website, in a clear and concise manner. So I have the following idea (if it isn't workable, don't shoot me - I know buggerall about constructing websites or their functionalities!): Have an interactive map of South Africa, with the main route and all alternatives shown on it. Must be able to zoom in on the map, to see more detail in a selected area. Break up the trail into chunks (probably between major intersections, or on a typical day ride extent, or overnight points/towns, whatever basis that works). Then when the viewer hovers a mouse pointer (laptop) or click (phone) on a section, the basic info on that section/chunk pops up. Things like distance, typical time to complete, road/track conditions (also % tar vs gravel), scenic attractions, historical attractions, etc.)

Possible, or too much?
Definitely I was thinking of doing it per section say max 400km a day or so. How the interactive map will be constructed I have no idea. Maybe some type of link to Google maps ? I'm also a newbie at website building as you can see from what we have already. As soon as the route is set and I think this is needed as including too many options we will have a hundred paths running all over the country then one can setup an interactive map like you mentioned.
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Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
« Reply #291 on: June 01, 2020, 05:30:38 pm »

This weekend I am going to do part of my route, from Weenen up towards Pomeroy.

Will take a few pics along the way.


So we did a circular trip along part of the proposed Kzn leg of the TSAT, and it was a really nice ride.

Didn't stop and take many pics, but here are a few:


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Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
« Reply #292 on: June 01, 2020, 05:32:06 pm »
A few more:

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Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
« Reply #293 on: June 02, 2020, 01:01:33 pm »
Great thanks Jon. I think we are almost there with the route. When lockdown is lifted just need to check o the Limpopo part. There are 2 options for LP and MP which needs confirmation.
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Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
« Reply #294 on: June 24, 2020, 07:32:18 pm »
Holding thumbs to do a run up from Ct following most of this route up to at least southern Mpumalanga maybe a bit more, just to much to see with newly acquired pig  :ricky:
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Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
« Reply #295 on: June 25, 2020, 01:04:16 pm »
Holding thumbs to do a run up from Ct following most of this route up to at least southern Mpumalanga maybe a bit more, just to much to see with newly acquired pig  :ricky:
This no border crossing better stop soon, need to confirm the MP and LP tracks  :biggrin:
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Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
« Reply #296 on: June 26, 2020, 10:03:37 am »
Just out of curiosity, is there a reason why the eastern cape routes go around the old transkei, instead of through it? Is it to include the awesome trails south of Lesotho? Or is Transkei trails a bit on the wild side? Would'ver been nice if some of the trails took one past the hole in the wall.

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Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
« Reply #297 on: June 30, 2020, 02:13:50 pm »
This is looking really interesting ... will there be a North loop for those starting from the South and a South loop from those starting from the North?

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Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
« Reply #298 on: July 22, 2020, 12:16:20 pm »
This is looking really interesting ... will there be a North loop for those starting from the South and a South loop from those starting from the North?

Great effort guys, thanks!
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Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
« Reply #299 on: July 22, 2020, 12:41:15 pm »
I use to arrange the annual Renegade ride in KZN a couple of years ago, will look for the links. Me and Mark Hardy, the time he was still in KZN.

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