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Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
« Reply #120 on: April 13, 2020, 09:13:37 pm »
Am I misunderstanding this project then? I’m sorry, I am not familiar with how the TAT and other trails work.
The TAT, TET and TSAT are just gpx routes that someone compiled, named and put online.

There are several different TAT routes by different people. One of the TAT compilers charges a small fee for the gpx file.

The TET route gpx file is free, and they ask for voluntary donations to support hosting.

Jacques is wanting to use the same idea as the TET for the TSAT - a donation model.

Hosting and domain registration are around R200/month these days, so it's not expensive to run the website.

It's the time required to compile, check maintain and support the route that costs time.

The routes use public roads and riding the routes is always free.

The voluntary donation is only for supporting the monthly expenses that the route-creator incurs.



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Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
« Reply #121 on: April 13, 2020, 10:26:21 pm »
Not sure how easy it will work logistically but instead of having a page with ads why not have some tshirts made, buy a tshirt and get access to the routes?
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Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
« Reply #122 on: April 14, 2020, 04:18:46 am »
I will give some alternative a bit later.   :thumleft:
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Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
« Reply #123 on: April 14, 2020, 07:37:45 am »
I love this whole idea - and the logo/sticker  :thumleft:
Financing the website's upkeep should be easy enough, indeed good suggestions all over!
Putting it together is the crux of course, and I'm glad to see that some are doing it: thank you Squires!!
About time something like this is done, would be awesome to look at offroad 'connections' between locations within SA.
I for one will be using it, and see this awesome piece of land we live in in more and more remote detail!
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Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
« Reply #124 on: April 14, 2020, 09:10:39 am »
The routes must absolutely be free. They are, afterall, on public roads mostly.  If a route crosses private land, it will be for the landowner to decide if he wishes to charge, in which case there should be an alternative, free, route.  Of course all other services should be user pays (accommodation, guiding, roadside assistance, catering, medical. equipment and bike rental etc).

Hi Dorsland, I was referring to my willingness to pay for the effort the guys put in to create such a route, not the cost of travelling on these routes.
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Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
« Reply #125 on: April 14, 2020, 10:12:00 am »
Update route V1.0 almost complete, Need a link to join Gannaga and north of Lydenburg towards Musina.
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Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
« Reply #126 on: April 14, 2020, 11:31:02 am »
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Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
« Reply #127 on: April 14, 2020, 06:11:08 pm »
Julle is met iets pragtigs besig. Baie dankie vir almal wat so lekker saam werk hieraan.  Ek het naby Lydenburg groot geword en later daar geboer, maar dit is meer as twintig jaar terug wat ek daar rondgery het. Ek het iemand gekontak wat nog daar woon en gereeld op die soort paaie ry waarna jy soek. Hy sal kan help en sal julle kontak.

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Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
« Reply #128 on: April 14, 2020, 07:01:53 pm »
Help a Vaalie out, need to get from Wellington to Caledon. The track comes down from the Cederberg (Towards CPT) and needs to join Towards Agulhas 2. Getting into plenty of farmlands and small towns now so some dirt may end up at a gate or dead end. Looking at dirt roads to link the towns but if not possible scenic tar back road will be great as well.
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Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
« Reply #129 on: April 14, 2020, 07:21:07 pm »
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Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
« Reply #130 on: April 14, 2020, 07:23:32 pm »
Fixer put me on your post. I’ll help where i can and add to nonekings trails. I’ll pm you my email. Great idea!
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Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
« Reply #131 on: April 14, 2020, 07:24:44 pm »
Fixer put me on your post. I’ll help where i can and add to nonekings trails. I’ll pm you my email. Great idea!
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Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
« Reply #132 on: April 14, 2020, 08:31:52 pm »
Ok, now maybe I can help. I now live near Wellington and one can easily do 8 very nice passes in one round trip, but on tar. Gravel only for very short stints and the beauty in this region is very much the scenery, which one tends to enjoy more on a tar section. That is what I would suggest.

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Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
« Reply #133 on: April 14, 2020, 09:24:08 pm »
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Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
« Reply #134 on: April 15, 2020, 10:10:30 am »
This sounds like a nice initiative :)

Just a quick question, I am not very familiar with the TAT route, but I know the Trans Euro is quite a tough route in places (with detour available if you are not up for the challenge).

Just how technical do you want this to be? Do you want the route to be "beginner on a 1200GS" kinda friendly :P or do you want to include some actual fun stuff? ;)

Just for reference if we are talking a route similar to the TET this applies:

From their website:

"The Trans Euro Trail® is aimed at small and medium capacity trail bikes – bikes such as Yamaha’s WR250R and XT600 and XT660Z Tenere, CCM’s GP450, KTM’s 690 and Suzuki’s DRZ400. Larger bikes can tackle it but riders need to be more experienced and competent. Soft luggage, travelling light is the ethos – leave those panniers and armchairs at home. This is overlanding in its purest form."

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Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
« Reply #135 on: April 15, 2020, 11:22:15 am »

This sounds like a nice initiative :)

Just a quick question, I am not very familiar with the TAT route, but I know the Trans Euro is quite a tough route in places (with detour available if you are not up for the challenge).
The TAT is for all sizes of bikes and my thoughts for this is for all sizes of bikes and a medium experience level, not some of those tight TET single tracks although ive seen the 1200 guys also climb in

Just how technical do you want this to be? Do you want the route to be "beginner on a 1200GS" kinda friendly :P or do you want to include some actual fun stuff? ;)
If you can do Baviaans that will be sufficient- can i call that medium :)

Just for reference if we are talking a route similar to the TET this applies:

From their website:

"The Trans Euro Trail® is aimed at small and medium capacity trail bikes – bikes such as Yamaha’s WR250R and XT600 and XT660Z Tenere, CCM’s GP450, KTM’s 690 and Suzuki’s DRZ400. Larger bikes can tackle it but riders need to be more experienced and competent. Soft luggage, travelling light is the ethos – leave those panniers and armchairs at home. This is overlanding in its purest form."
Very good thought to set this up as well for but i imagine making it smaller like a one week ride from CT to Baviaans and back or  a long weekend to Cederberg and across to klein karoo and  back to CT .Now we need permission from WD farmers or their cousins to set up- give it some thought. We can also ask Warren Ellwood and his team for thoughts- he is a late bloomer now in his 50's :) starting to ride plastics only- plenty of experience.

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Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
« Reply #136 on: April 15, 2020, 11:38:30 am »
The most difficult part on the TSAT will most likely be Orrie Baragwanath pass / Baviaans so not difficult. I think a route with longer open section will be more accessible to most riders and visitors. There are plenty of more technical riding available but as someone mentioned one can maybe make this a separate route, my only concern their is some tracks may be semi private / tribal land based and arrangement with land owners will need to be made. It will be a lot more difficult to plot and keep updated whereas the TSAT stays on S and R roads mostly but always with the idea that is should be dirt as far as possible. Way to explore SA but on the back roads.
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Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
« Reply #137 on: April 15, 2020, 12:59:50 pm »
When this thread started (Long ago), me and some friends decided it might be fun, I started a MAP of an idea, turns out very similar to what you guys made.
Maybe this help.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1i0dyB1KgM0UPP_CkislED2fS7Pem8plA&usp=sharing

 

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Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
« Reply #138 on: April 15, 2020, 01:12:15 pm »
The most difficult part on the TSAT will most likely be Orrie Baragwanath pass / Baviaans so not difficult. I think a route with longer open section will be more accessible to most riders and visitors. There are plenty of more technical riding available but as someone mentioned one can maybe make this a separate route, my only concern their is some tracks may be semi private / tribal land based and arrangement with land owners will need to be made. It will be a lot more difficult to plot and keep updated whereas the TSAT stays on S and R roads mostly but always with the idea that is should be dirt as far as possible. Way to explore SA but on the back roads.

I like your thinking. Perhaps establish a dirt touring route as a core, then more adventurous loops/extensions/add-ons for those who need a bit of adrenaline fix?
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Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
« Reply #139 on: April 15, 2020, 01:44:29 pm »
I see there are 2 threads covering this subject, should we not merge them?
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