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Old bikes - do you keep them registered?
« on: October 19, 2019, 07:11:45 am »
I would not consider myself a collector, but I have a couple of bikes I would like to keep long term.

This include 2 x Honda XL250Sís and a Honda XL125S.

I recently also acquired a Suzuki DF200, which was knowingly bought de-registered.  This got me thinking whether it is worth keeping the others registered and licensed. My intention is to use them, but totally off the general public roads.  The start of gravel is about 8km from our house and might be worth the risk getting to my gravel starting destination.

Iím trying to alleviate the annual licensing costs, but would like your opinion on how much the bike would devalue should I decide to de-register them.  They can always be re-registered, but will be a code 3 then.

Is there an age where license fees become obsolete?


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Re: Old bikes - do you keep them registered?
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2019, 10:04:06 pm »
Licence fees are less than 200zar per year. No point in trying to save that amount in my opinion. All my classics are licenced and comprehensively insured.
 

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Re: Old bikes - do you keep them registered?
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2019, 01:24:39 am »
Keep them licensed.

As mentioned above, the cost is minimal, but you won't get them confiscated or get in kak if you do ride them to the start of the sand and the cops catch you, and their value will stay higher too. Many guys would not be interested in buying an old bike if getting it registered again would be a PITA.  :thumleft:
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Re: Old bikes - do you keep them registered?
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2019, 08:11:43 am »
Keep them registered because then you can take them for a spin around the block just to keep everything working right!
When I fetch my XL250 I want a registered one. :imaposer: :pot: :peepwall:
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Re: Old bikes - do you keep them registered?
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2019, 10:36:22 am »
Licence fees are less than 200zar per year. No point in trying to save that amount in my opinion. All my classics are licenced and comprehensively insured.

Agree, this only becomes a problem if you have a biggish collection. What I would like to escape is the queue at the traffic department.

It helps to synchronise your licensing due dates.
 

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« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2019, 04:33:06 pm »
All mine are in the same month. Pay via the electronic web site snd they even post them to me. Whatís not to like?
 

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« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2019, 04:49:16 pm »
Thanks for the responses gents.  In summary, it sounds penny wise, pound foolish to de-register them. 

Maybe I just sell the lot and then donít have to worry about anything.
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« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2019, 05:00:35 pm »
Now you and I both know that aint going to happen 😁
 

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« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2019, 09:14:19 pm »
Thanks for the responses gents.  In summary, it sounds penny wise, pound foolish to de-register them. 

Maybe I just sell the lot and then donít have to worry about anything.

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« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2019, 06:28:43 am »
When last did you actually see cops checking vehicles on that 8k stretch of tar?
 

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Re: Old bikes - do you keep them registered?
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2019, 07:50:40 am »
We have and old Harley Davidson 10/12 and it is exempt from license fees if the following conditions are met, must be the same as it came out the factory in terms off mechanics, must be part off a old club or have proof from an organization that can verify it's age and the way it was manufactured, i:e whiteout indicators etc. Last time I checked it had to be 20 or 30 years old at least, can't remember now. That said I don't know if that is still the case and if it can still be done.

Also, yes keep them registered if possible  :thumleft:
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Re: Old bikes - do you keep them registered?
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2019, 07:59:34 am »
Why is a de-registered bike a code 3?

I have a 1981 XT500 that the license was unpaid from 1995 until 2014 or thereabouts, I enquired as to the license state and was advised that is was de-registerd, but the history was still available (pre-e-Natis), so they could verify it was still in my name.
I re-registered it as it was not on e-Natis, and a minimal fine was issued for failing to renew the license for 20 years (about R700 iirc), they issued me the license papers, etc., all told was about R2k including roadworthy, data-dot (which I discovered was not required) and the paperwork.....

Nowdays I keep my vehicles up to date - the hassle is not worth the cost, and license renewals are available from the Post Office....
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Re: Old bikes - do you keep them registered?
« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2019, 08:05:42 am »
I have a 1979 Honda CX500 & I keep it registered.....gives me peace of mind. :thumleft:
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« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2019, 08:10:25 am »
De-registering would be a good option if it worked like in the old days, when a deregistered vehicle could be re-registered without penalties such as code3.

Is this the case nowadays, that when re-registering a bike, it becomes a code3?

 

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« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2019, 08:10:50 am »
A bike that is no longer registered will be re registered as a built up bike. In othrr words no record of the vehicle. Most of the old British bikes I have bought were unregistered and then itís the whole palaver of police inspection and clearance before re registration. A real pain.
 

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« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2019, 08:14:22 am »
A bike that is no longer registered will be re registered as a built up bike. In othrr words no record of the vehicle. Most of the old British bikes I have bought were unregistered and then itís the whole palaver of police inspection and clearance before re registration. A real pain.

But does the vehicle not remain on traffic records as "deregistered"? In which case it would be a simple registration process to put it back in someone's name.

I wonder why the records would be wiped clean?
 

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« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2019, 08:37:28 am »
I think it depends on when the licence fell into arrears. Some of these old bikes haven't been licenced since the 70's or 80's. I have an idea that pre enatis data was sometimes deleted. I have had bikes that came with licence disks with number plate numbers that not even the provincial authority had archive records for.
 

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« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2019, 08:47:21 am »
A bike that is no longer registered will be re registered as a built up bike. In othrr words no record of the vehicle. Most of the old British bikes I have bought were unregistered and then itís the whole palaver of police inspection and clearance before re registration. A real pain.

But does the vehicle not remain on traffic records as "deregistered"? In which case it would be a simple registration process to put it back in someone's name.

I wonder why the records would be wiped clean?

Unfortunately once de registered, it requires police clearance and data dot.  Thereafter itís fate is a Code 3 registration.
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Re: Old bikes - do you keep them registered?
« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2019, 08:51:12 am »
A bike that is no longer registered will be re registered as a built up bike. In othrr words no record of the vehicle. Most of the old British bikes I have bought were unregistered and then itís the whole palaver of police inspection and clearance before re registration. A real pain.

But does the vehicle not remain on traffic records as "deregistered"? In which case it would be a simple registration process to put it back in someone's name.

I wonder why the records would be wiped clean?

Unfortunately once de registered, it requires police clearance and data dot.  Thereafter itís fate is a Code 3 registration.
If you have the de registration certificate you can bypass SAPS and Datadot ?
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Re: Old bikes - do you keep them registered?
« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2019, 08:54:09 am »
A bike that is no longer registered will be re registered as a built up bike. In othrr words no record of the vehicle. Most of the old British bikes I have bought were unregistered and then itís the whole palaver of police inspection and clearance before re registration. A real pain.

But does the vehicle not remain on traffic records as "deregistered"? In which case it would be a simple registration process to put it back in someone's name.

I wonder why the records would be wiped clean?

Unfortunately once de registered, it requires police clearance and data dot.  Thereafter itís fate is a Code 3 registration.
If you have the de registration certificate you can bypass SAPS and Datadot ?

Not according to the lady at the traffic department.
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