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Offline Yami Super 10

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Quick Shifter
« on: October 31, 2019, 10:21:41 am »
Would like to find out from fellow WD who has quick shifters on their bikes, does it really work........or is it just a nice to have :pot:

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Thinking, depending on what the outcome is, getting a unit fitted to my ST1200. But only if there ist not just a nice to have.

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Offline swakop_toe

Re: Quick Shifter
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2019, 10:38:15 am »
I don't have one, was contemplating it for a long time

Read several installs, you have to cut into the loom, but most responses after install was indifference...

Decided that until I have not reflashed the ECU I am not going to consider it.

That and our XT's gear shifting is like a 80ks Massey Fergusson, not really made for electronic assistance, in my opinion.

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Re: Quick Shifter
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2019, 10:38:49 am »
And it expensive, relatively.

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Re: Quick Shifter
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2019, 10:56:20 am »
I got one for the 1290 and it is a pleasure for commuting & dragging but I do miss actually shifting myself.

If you enjoy clutch-less shifts & doing all the work yourself skip it, if you spend long stretches on the road or if you dice mates often it is an absolute joy.
 

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Re: Quick Shifter
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2019, 10:59:29 am »
On the 1290 it's all internal, so there's not "install" necessary. In that case it's definitely worth it and I really like it.  (You can just turn it off in the menus if you want)


Whether I'd go through the mission of installing an aftermarket one on an ADV bike is another matter.     Will the one you're looking to install do downshifts as well?  Thats really where it makes sense offroad....if you're standing and suddenly need a lower gear and you can just stomp on it.

 

Offline BuRP

Re: Quick Shifter
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2019, 11:00:59 am »
Never had one, and when I bought my 790 R I was offered one - which I denied, didn't want one, this is mos an offroad bike.
Turned out to have one (they all do ex factory) and it's a superb one: super quick off the robot, and gearshifts during a powerwheelie are dead easy as well as smooth.
Since then I've ridden a S1000RR on a track which obviously also has a QS, and on a track it simply is a necessity as you can forget about using the clutch!
Not so with my 790 as I do use the clutch on downshifts for mechanical sympathy, and offroad on ups as well at times.
A QS takes a little getting used to, but then you don't want anything else anymore  :thumleft:
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Re: Quick Shifter
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2019, 11:01:40 am »
Don't hear anything from the BMW guys? :deal:

What is the advantages of it with doing technical stuff? Not talking about the long distance gravel roads.

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Re: Quick Shifter
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2019, 11:03:36 am »
What is the advantages of it with doing technical stuff? Not talking about the long distance gravel roads.

In technical stuff you'll use the clutch, more control that way.
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Re: Quick Shifter
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2019, 11:06:23 am »
On the 1290 it's all internal, so there's not "install" necessary. In that case it's definitely worth it and I really like it.  (You can just turn it off in the menus if you want)


Whether I'd go through the mission of installing an aftermarket one on an ADV bike is another matter.     Will the one you're looking to install do downshifts as well?  Thats really where it makes sense offroad....if you're standing and suddenly need a lower gear and you can just stomp on it.

Yes, would opt for the up and down shifter. I just dont want to fit something which is just a "nice to have" even thou one just adds things on which is mostly just a nice to have.
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Re: Quick Shifter
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2019, 11:18:43 am »
Never used an aftermarket one but generally on the factory fitted ones, the newer the bike (model wise) the better the technology.

The 1st I tried was the 1200 LC and it worked but was clunky, the latest, Ducati Supersport/KTM Duke 790/Husqvarna 701 Svartpilen, all superb and smooth both up and down.
 

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Re: Quick Shifter
« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2019, 11:29:10 am »
Don't hear anything from the BMW guys? :deal:

What is the advantages of it with doing technical stuff? Not talking about the long distance gravel roads.

On my 1250 the following:
UP, use only from 2 upwards, 1 to second 2 is a PIA.
Down, use only on high refs from 6 down to 3rd, the rest is just to rof.
I think BMW need to do a lot more work on the boxers QS.

I had a test ride a few weeks back on a BMW XR 1000, now that was a real pleasure to use the QS on that bike.
 

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Re: Quick Shifter
« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2019, 11:44:21 am »
Thing to remember to get smooth up or down shift.

When shifting up, throttle must be open. On each shift, open up just a little bit more, then its a breeze.
On downshifts, throttle must be completely closed.

I wont fit an aftermarket shifter. Some bikes dont like it and you will stuff up the gearbox.
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Re: Quick Shifter
« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2019, 11:45:03 am »
Don't hear anything from the BMW guys? :deal:

What is the advantages of it with doing technical stuff? Not talking about the long distance gravel roads.

Slow and technical stuff I seldom use it, but you have to be very careful not to put any pressure on gear lever as this immediately cuts the power and has caught me out a couple of times when I just got my 790. I don't have option to switch it off, but I've gotten used to it and just make sure about positioning of my left foot. Brilliant in sand and any other offroad terrain.

I find myself trying to "quickshift" when riding the HP2 and it takes a few km to remember that I'm left with a normal clunky BMW shift  ;D

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Re: Quick Shifter
« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2019, 11:46:28 am »
Thing to remember to get smooth up or down shift.

When shifting up, throttle must be open. On each shift, open up just a little bit more, then its a breeze.
On downshifts, throttle must be completely closed.

I wont fit an aftermarket shifter. Some bikes dont like it and you will stuff up the gearbox.

Thanks Manic :thumleft:
It would be fitted by the agent.....so if any issues, they will sort it out :pot:
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Offline JesseH

Re: Quick Shifter
« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2019, 11:47:45 am »
In my experience with the 790 Adventure in semi technical terrain, it was nothing shy of a revelation! Absolutely mind-blowingly awesomeness! Its next level
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Re: Quick Shifter
« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2019, 12:11:43 pm »
Don't hear anything from the BMW guys? :deal:

What is the advantages of it with doing technical stuff? Not talking about the long distance gravel roads.

As per Manic's explanation, no benefit whatsoever in technical stuff.

A hint at it's usefulness on a D/S bike is that it is used without exception in drag racing. :pot:
 

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Re: Quick Shifter
« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2019, 12:13:48 pm »
Don't hear anything from the BMW guys? :deal:

What is the advantages of it with doing technical stuff? Not talking about the long distance gravel roads.

As per Manic's explanation, no benefit whatsoever in technical stuff.

A hint at it's usefulness on a D/S bike is that it is used without exception in drag racing. :pot:

Ok maar dit is mos maar n manne ding daai :pot: Daar sal altyd tyd en plek gemaak word daarvoor :ricky:
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Re: Quick Shifter
« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2019, 12:24:00 pm »

As per Manic's explanation, no benefit whatsoever in technical stuff.


I must say I disagree. I had my doubts before riding with one but after riding with it on some technical tracks I thoroughly enjoyed it. You can clutchlessly snap down into a lower gear if you're in the wrong gear or get a surprise.
Thats my 2c anyway.

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Re: Quick Shifter
« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2019, 12:28:30 pm »

As per Manic's explanation, no benefit whatsoever in technical stuff.


I must say I disagree. I had my doubts before riding with one but after riding with it on some technical tracks I thoroughly enjoyed it. You can clutchlessly snap down into a lower gear if you're in the wrong gear or get a surprise.
Thats my 2c anyway.

Disclaimer: I do not own one but had the privilege of riding one for a multi-day trip from Joburg to Van Reenen, Memel and back.


I suspect there are a few things that Danie is vocal about. BMWs, neck braces and quick shifters to name but a few...
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Re: Quick Shifter
« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2019, 12:34:03 pm »

As per Manic's explanation, no benefit whatsoever in technical stuff.


I must say I disagree. I had my doubts before riding with one but after riding with it on some technical tracks I thoroughly enjoyed it. You can clutchlessly snap down into a lower gear if you're in the wrong gear or get a surprise.
Thats my 2c anyway.

Disclaimer: I do not own one but had the privilege of riding one for a multi-day trip from Joburg to Van Reenen, Memel and back.


I suspect there are a few things that Danie is vocal about. BMWs, neck braces and quick shifters to name but a few...

 :thumleft: I must give JesseH that point, there is times when you have to make a clutchless downshift, usually in sand, where this system can work.

And that 790 sounds so good on the throttle up through the gears!!