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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #840 on: August 25, 2020, 08:42:48 am »
Perhaps it's the actual fitment that's the problem .................. they should kick those teenage mechanics out and use people of 2SDs calibre.
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #841 on: August 25, 2020, 10:23:40 am »
Listening to Lin Jarvis speaking about the Yamaha engine problems, I am wondering about these prototypes.  How much of them are actually made by the name on the tank?

All brakes:  Brembo
Suspension excluding KTM:  Ohlin
Gearboxes for some:  Some specialist gearbox manufacturer in England
Electronics for all:  Magnetti Marelli

Now we hear Yamaha's engine woes is because the valve supplier screwed up.  What other parts is not made by Yamaha?

This is not SBK, this is motogp.  If you have to go buy a bike to race, we all know it will be a Kawasaki.  In SBK its all Kawa, Dukes and Yamis. No KTM and Zooks.  Honda is not doing well there either.  One place where BMW do ok.  If you want a true manufacturer competition- watch SBK..

Even the SBK bikes are far removed from production bikes , the Superstock class was the closest to reality .
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #842 on: August 25, 2020, 02:48:32 pm »
Perhaps it's the actual fitment that's the problem .................. they should kick those teenage mechanics out and use people of 2SDs calibre.

I agree :biggrin: , these millennials, if it cannot be tuned by laptop, they're dumbfounded.
 

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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #843 on: August 25, 2020, 02:57:42 pm »
I see MV refused to fit upgraded items recommended by Brembo, all other riders, except Mir, fitted the upgraded items.
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #844 on: August 25, 2020, 08:47:22 pm »
Listening to Lin Jarvis speaking about the Yamaha engine problems, I am wondering about these prototypes.  How much of them are actually made by the name on the tank?

All brakes:  Brembo
Suspension excluding KTM:  Ohlin
Gearboxes for some:  Some specialist gearbox manufacturer in England
Electronics for all:  Magnetti Marelli

Now we hear Yamaha's engine woes is because the valve supplier screwed up.  What other parts is not made by Yamaha?

This is what I hate about things like the use of non-OEM stuff like the Magneti Marelli sole provider for all teams rule.

A manufacturer like Yamaha, worldwide renowned for top reliability, gets compromised.

Well Danie, Yamaha is already not using Yamaha OEM brakes, not using Yamaha OEM suspension and clearly not Yamaha OEM valves and this is by free choice.
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #845 on: August 25, 2020, 08:52:28 pm »
Listening to Lin Jarvis speaking about the Yamaha engine problems, I am wondering about these prototypes.  How much of them are actually made by the name on the tank?

All brakes:  Brembo
Suspension excluding KTM:  Ohlin
Gearboxes for some:  Some specialist gearbox manufacturer in England
Electronics for all:  Magnetti Marelli

Now we hear Yamaha's engine woes is because the valve supplier screwed up.  What other parts is not made by Yamaha?

This is not SBK, this is motogp.  If you have to go buy a bike to race, we all know it will be a Kawasaki.  In SBK its all Kawa, Dukes and Yamis. No KTM and Zooks.  Honda is not doing well there either.  One place where BMW do ok.  If you want a true manufacturer competition- watch SBK..

Nah Kilroy, the WSBK bikes as far removed from anything manufacturer or production.  Just like MotoGP bikes they use specialized Brembo brakes, specialized Ohlins suspensions, etc.   Some have thumb rear brakes on the left handlebar.  Heck, Kawasaki even move their fuel tank around. You cannot buy a bike to race in WSBK. 

Superstock 1000 would be closer to the truth.
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #846 on: August 25, 2020, 08:53:30 pm »
Can they still fit their own parts?

Yes.  Except ECU.
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #847 on: August 26, 2020, 08:44:28 am »
Listening to Lin Jarvis speaking about the Yamaha engine problems, I am wondering about these prototypes.  How much of them are actually made by the name on the tank?

All brakes:  Brembo
Suspension excluding KTM:  Ohlin
Gearboxes for some:  Some specialist gearbox manufacturer in England
Electronics for all:  Magnetti Marelli

Now we hear Yamaha's engine woes is because the valve supplier screwed up.  What other parts is not made by Yamaha?

This is not SBK, this is motogp.  If you have to go buy a bike to race, we all know it will be a Kawasaki.  In SBK its all Kawa, Dukes and Yamis. No KTM and Zooks.  Honda is not doing well there either.  One place where BMW do ok.  If you want a true manufacturer competition- watch SBK..

Nah Kilroy, the WSBK bikes as far removed from anything manufacturer or production.  Just like MotoGP bikes they use specialized Brembo brakes, specialized Ohlins suspensions, etc.   Some have thumb rear brakes on the left handlebar.  Heck, Kawasaki even move their fuel tank around. You cannot buy a bike to race in WSBK. 

Superstock 1000 would be closer to the truth.

But you start with a production bike at least?  much closer than motogp bikes?  build from a production platform?
 

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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #848 on: August 26, 2020, 08:45:01 am »
Can they still fit their own parts?

Yes.  Except ECU.

so why does Yamaha not use their own brakes?
 

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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #849 on: August 26, 2020, 08:51:29 am »
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #850 on: August 26, 2020, 08:55:35 am »
Can they still fit their own parts?

Yes.  Except ECU.

so why does Yamaha not use their own brakes?
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #851 on: August 26, 2020, 10:57:44 am »
Can they still fit their own parts?

Yes.  Except ECU.

so why does Yamaha not use their own brakes?

Why reinvent the wheel?
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #852 on: August 26, 2020, 02:05:12 pm »
Listening to Lin Jarvis speaking about the Yamaha engine problems, I am wondering about these prototypes.  How much of them are actually made by the name on the tank?

All brakes:  Brembo
Suspension excluding KTM:  Ohlin
Gearboxes for some:  Some specialist gearbox manufacturer in England
Electronics for all:  Magnetti Marelli

Now we hear Yamaha's engine woes is because the valve supplier screwed up.  What other parts is not made by Yamaha?

This is not SBK, this is motogp.  If you have to go buy a bike to race, we all know it will be a Kawasaki.  In SBK its all Kawa, Dukes and Yamis. No KTM and Zooks.  Honda is not doing well there either.  One place where BMW do ok.  If you want a true manufacturer competition- watch SBK..

Nah Kilroy, the WSBK bikes as far removed from anything manufacturer or production.  Just like MotoGP bikes they use specialized Brembo brakes, specialized Ohlins suspensions, etc.   Some have thumb rear brakes on the left handlebar.  Heck, Kawasaki even move their fuel tank around. You cannot buy a bike to race in WSBK. 

Superstock 1000 would be closer to the truth.
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #853 on: August 26, 2020, 02:51:37 pm »
Can they still fit their own parts?

Yes.  Except ECU.

so why does Yamaha not use their own brakes?

they are kak
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #854 on: August 26, 2020, 07:13:03 pm »
Can they still fit their own parts?

Yes.  Except ECU.

so why does Yamaha not use their own brakes?

they are kak

But are they so kak that they ever caused a rider to have to jump ship at speed? :ricky: :ricky: Brembo.....let the rem go...... :eek7:
 

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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #855 on: August 26, 2020, 07:33:06 pm »
1st time in the 38 Yrs Honda have been In MotoGP that they have gone 5 races with no podium. That a bloody impressive record !!!!
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« Reply #856 on: August 26, 2020, 08:03:00 pm »
1st time in the 38 hrs Honda have been In MotoGP that they have gone 5 races with no podium. That a bloody impressive record !!!!

Honda, besides being a highly competitive team, has always had the means to field more bikes than the opposition, making chances for a podium better.
 

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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #857 on: August 26, 2020, 09:16:10 pm »
1st time in the 38 hrs Honda have been In MotoGP that they have gone 5 races with no podium. That a bloody impressive record !!!!

Honda, besides being a highly competitive team, has always had the means to field more bikes than the opposition, making chances for a podium better.

Under the current rules, they can only field four.  2 x factory and 2 x satellite.  It sort of level the playing field.
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #858 on: August 26, 2020, 09:20:01 pm »
Listening to Lin Jarvis speaking about the Yamaha engine problems, I am wondering about these prototypes.  How much of them are actually made by the name on the tank?

All brakes:  Brembo
Suspension excluding KTM:  Ohlin
Gearboxes for some:  Some specialist gearbox manufacturer in England
Electronics for all:  Magnetti Marelli

Now we hear Yamaha's engine woes is because the valve supplier screwed up.  What other parts is not made by Yamaha?

This is not SBK, this is motogp.  If you have to go buy a bike to race, we all know it will be a Kawasaki.  In SBK its all Kawa, Dukes and Yamis. No KTM and Zooks.  Honda is not doing well there either.  One place where BMW do ok.  If you want a true manufacturer competition- watch SBK..

Nah Kilroy, the WSBK bikes as far removed from anything manufacturer or production.  Just like MotoGP bikes they use specialized Brembo brakes, specialized Ohlins suspensions, etc.   Some have thumb rear brakes on the left handlebar.  Heck, Kawasaki even move their fuel tank around. You cannot buy a bike to race in WSBK. 

Superstock 1000 would be closer to the truth.

But you start with a production bike at least?  much closer than motogp bikes?  build from a production platform?

I suppose that depends on the definition of production bike.  They all build homologation specials.  A run of 300 or 400 only to qualify for WSBK racing.  They are vastly different from their normal production bikes and these bikes are the basis for the WSBK bike. 

A good example was the Max Biaggi Aprilia.  The Aprilia we could buy had chain driven cams.  His bike had gear driven cams. 
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #859 on: August 27, 2020, 07:53:51 am »
Except for KTM though?  We all know they are ready to race....