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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #820 on: August 24, 2020, 07:51:10 am »
I wonder though whoever becomes champion this year (think it will be Doviziozo sp) will feel like it was a bit of a hollow victory since MM was not in it ?

Wayne Rainey actually commented on this recently, saying that for MM to stay relevant in this year's championship, he had to stay in the series.

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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #821 on: August 24, 2020, 07:53:46 am »
I wonder though whoever becomes champion this year (think it will be Doviziozo sp) will feel like it was a bit of a hollow victory since MM was not in it ?

To finish first , first you must finish , MM didnít finish that race which put him out for ages , he did it on his own , so no , not a hollow victory for the champion this year

The way they're racing I'm not sure who's gonna finish this season at all. Maybe with no spectators and no glory they feel the gloves are off, it's time to fight. To show each other who's best.
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #822 on: August 24, 2020, 10:54:29 am »
There was a few championships won because someone crashed out in the past.  It happens.  Part of being champion is not crashing, so I see no hollow victory for anyone, even if MM is out the whole season. 

Something else is, while MM made a mockery of them during 2019, we have no idea how well he would have done this year.  The Ducatis, Suzukis and KTMs seem to have made a nice jump in performance, while Honda seems to have gone the other way.  It may well have been MM's season to struggle this year.
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #823 on: August 24, 2020, 11:16:51 am »
Agree 100% 

MM must not think he is untouchable or unbeatable - he has already learnt the hard way that he is not invincible ... even if it took opening a window of opprtunity for other riders  :imaposer:
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #824 on: August 24, 2020, 11:56:06 am »
There was a few championships won because someone crashed out in the past.  It happens.  Part of being champion is not crashing, so I see no hollow victory for anyone, even if MM is out the whole season. 

Something else is, while MM made a mockery of them during 2019, we have no idea how well he would have done this year.  The Ducatis, Suzukis and KTMs seem to have made a nice jump in performance, while Honda seems to have gone the other way.  It may well have been MM's season to struggle this year.

You are absolutely right.  Things change all the time.  That is what keeps it exciting.  I for one thought Zarco was going to make the KTM fly last year.  Then, when that turned into a fiasco you start to wonder if that bike maybe is crap.  And now they had all 4 bikes in the top 10.  Who would have put money on that a year ago?

Has anybody read anything as to why the Yamahas had these brake issues?  Maverick is a hero in my book.  That was split second decision making that saved his life (or at the least his well being).  I am in awe.  And it was also great to see how he did not stand there looking shocked afterwards but just thoroughly pissed off.
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #825 on: August 24, 2020, 12:25:55 pm »

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You are absolutely right.  Things change all the time.  That is what keeps it exciting.  I for one thought Zarco was going to make the KTM fly last year.  Then, when that turned into a fiasco you start to wonder if that bike maybe is crap.  And now they had all 4 bikes in the top 10.  Who would have put money on that a year ago?

Has anybody read anything as to why the Yamahas had these brake issues?  Maverick is a hero in my book.  That was split second decision making that saved his life (or at the least his well being).  I am in awe.  And it was also great to see how he did not stand there looking shocked afterwards but just thoroughly pissed off.
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Agree, and there is an interview on MotoGP with him where he is very pragmatic and professional and not throwing toys and getting a dig in at Yamaha. I was also massively impressed by this gladiator.
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #826 on: August 24, 2020, 12:29:25 pm »


You are absolutely right.  Things change all the time.  That is what keeps it exciting.  I for one thought Zarco was going to make the KTM fly last year.  Then, when that turned into a fiasco you start to wonder if that bike maybe is crap.  And now they had all 4 bikes in the top 10.  Who would have put money on that a year ago?

Has anybody read anything as to why the Yamahas had these brake issues?  Maverick is a hero in my book.  That was split second decision making that saved his life (or at the least his well being).  I am in awe.  And it was also great to see how he did not stand there looking shocked afterwards but just thoroughly pissed off.
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Agree, and there is an interview on MotoGP with him where he is very pragmatic and professional and not throwing toys and getting a dig in at Yamaha. I was also massively impressed by this gladiator.
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #827 on: August 24, 2020, 01:23:03 pm »
I know they had no choice but holding a GP at the same track twice felt a bit less exciting the second time around  :P Mir and Taka had a good pace before the red flag wonder what happened after the restart ? Worn tyres, mental thing after having to give up good starts ?
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #828 on: August 24, 2020, 01:32:06 pm »
:imaposer:  :imaposer: that takes guts to jump at that speed  :peepwall:

Yamaha should be using the Japanese Nissen brakes. Now their riders have to bail at speed with their European brakes. :eek7:

Euro bikes ruled this one bud  ;) The old man on the one and only Yamaha in top ten  ::) What happened ?

Do you think they've detuned them for reliability?  High chance that MV will start from pit lane cos he's already used up his engine quota for the yr..
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #829 on: August 24, 2020, 01:51:51 pm »
I know they had no choice but holding a GP at the same track twice felt a bit less exciting the second time around  :P Mir and Taka had a good pace before the red flag wonder what happened after the restart ? Worn tyres, mental thing after having to give up good starts ?

Interesting you feel this way.  Set up gets done the first week and the second week the guys can all get on the pace quickly.  And yet there is no guarantee of the same finishing order two weeks in a row.  I actually quite like it.  But some trackside spectators would add to the overall feel and excitement.
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #830 on: August 24, 2020, 07:39:21 pm »

Agree, and there is an interview on MotoGP with him where he is very pragmatic and professional and not throwing toys and getting a dig in at Yamaha. I was also massively impressed by this gladiator.

Perhaps MV is so calm and diplomatic because he knows it is all his own fault?  First he declined using the upgraded brakes Brembo brought specifically for this track because he " didn't like the feel"  and went with the normal brakes instead.  Then he had fading brake problems for two laps prior to the incident and he chose not to pit.
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #831 on: August 24, 2020, 07:41:35 pm »
:imaposer:  :imaposer: that takes guts to jump at that speed  :peepwall:

Yamaha should be using the Japanese Nissen brakes. Now their riders have to bail at speed with their European brakes. :eek7:

Euro bikes ruled this one bud  ;) The old man on the one and only Yamaha in top ten  ::) What happened ?

Do you think they've detuned them for reliability?  High chance that MV will start from pit lane cos he's already used up his engine quota for the yr..

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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #832 on: August 24, 2020, 07:47:20 pm »
Listening to Lin Jarvis speaking about the Yamaha engine problems, I am wondering about these prototypes.  How much of them are actually made by the name on the tank?

All brakes:  Brembo
Suspension excluding KTM:  Ohlin
Gearboxes for some:  Some specialist gearbox manufacturer in England
Electronics for all:  Magnetti Marelli

Now we hear Yamaha's engine woes is because the valve supplier screwed up.  What other parts is not made by Yamaha?
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #833 on: August 24, 2020, 08:04:35 pm »
Listening to Lin Jarvis speaking about the Yamaha engine problems, I am wondering about these prototypes.  How much of them are actually made by the name on the tank?

All brakes:  Brembo
Suspension excluding KTM:  Ohlin
Gearboxes for some:  Some specialist gearbox manufacturer in England
Electronics for all:  Magnetti Marelli

Now we hear Yamaha's engine woes is because the valve supplier screwed up.  What other parts is not made by Yamaha?

This is what I hate about things like the use of non-OEM stuff like the Magneti Marelli sole provider for all teams rule.

A manufacturer like Yamaha, worldwide renowned for top reliability, gets compromised.
 

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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #834 on: August 24, 2020, 08:22:07 pm »
That would be fine if the electronics failed , but Yamaha have been having engine crap , the electronics which are the same for everyone has been good .
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #835 on: August 24, 2020, 08:33:24 pm »
Listening to Lin Jarvis speaking about the Yamaha engine problems, I am wondering about these prototypes.  How much of them are actually made by the name on the tank?

All brakes:  Brembo
Suspension excluding KTM:  Ohlin
Gearboxes for some:  Some specialist gearbox manufacturer in England
Electronics for all:  Magnetti Marelli

Now we hear Yamaha's engine woes is because the valve supplier screwed up.  What other parts is not made by Yamaha?

This is what I hate about things like the use of non-OEM stuff like the Magneti Marelli sole provider for all teams rule.

A manufacturer like Yamaha, worldwide renowned for top reliability, gets compromised.

Its not the Euro electronics nor the Euro brakes Dan.......your'e running out of excuses for your supposed superior brand  ;)
 

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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #836 on: August 25, 2020, 07:36:34 am »
It seems to me that Yamaha have taken everything they can get get out of the current engine design (layout) and need a complete new design.
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #837 on: August 25, 2020, 08:06:47 am »
Listening to Lin Jarvis speaking about the Yamaha engine problems, I am wondering about these prototypes.  How much of them are actually made by the name on the tank?

All brakes:  Brembo
Suspension excluding KTM:  Ohlin
Gearboxes for some:  Some specialist gearbox manufacturer in England
Electronics for all:  Magnetti Marelli

Now we hear Yamaha's engine woes is because the valve supplier screwed up.  What other parts is not made by Yamaha?

This is not SBK, this is motogp.  If you have to go buy a bike to race, we all know it will be a Kawasaki.  In SBK its all Kawa, Dukes and Yamis. No KTM and Zooks.  Honda is not doing well there either.  One place where BMW do ok.  If you want a true manufacturer competition- watch SBK..
 

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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #838 on: August 25, 2020, 08:14:25 am »
Listening to Lin Jarvis speaking about the Yamaha engine problems, I am wondering about these prototypes.  How much of them are actually made by the name on the tank?

All brakes:  Brembo
Suspension excluding KTM:  Ohlin
Gearboxes for some:  Some specialist gearbox manufacturer in England
Electronics for all:  Magnetti Marelli

Now we hear Yamaha's engine woes is because the valve supplier screwed up.  What other parts is not made by Yamaha?

This is what I hate about things like the use of non-OEM stuff like the Magneti Marelli sole provider for all teams rule.

A manufacturer like Yamaha, worldwide renowned for top reliability, gets compromised.

Its not the Euro electronics nor the Euro brakes Dan.......your'e running out of excuses for your supposed superior brand  ;)

Seems to me the parts they are allowed to buy independently are crap .............................. cheapskates  :biggrin:
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #839 on: August 25, 2020, 08:26:35 am »
Can they still fit their own parts?