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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #960 on: September 17, 2020, 09:16:16 am »
"Currently the Honda is not a particularly user friendly bike" ........................... fair enough, perhaps.

But then, what is the description of a shit bike?
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #961 on: September 17, 2020, 09:30:03 am »
"Currently the Honda is not a particularly user friendly bike" ........................... fair enough, perhaps.

But then, what is the description of a shit bike?

One that get really poor results on Sunday when it matters.
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #962 on: September 17, 2020, 09:47:01 am »
"One that get really poor results on Sunday when it matters."

Which would be the Honda right now, not so? ...........................
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #963 on: September 17, 2020, 09:49:09 am »
Or, to put it another way ............ MM makes a shit bike look good and the others make good bikes look shit.
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #964 on: September 17, 2020, 10:10:40 am »
How much is really built around him and his riding style?  And why cant Honda built the second bike around the no2ís riding style? So name the parts thatís built around his riding style?

They can and in the past often did.  These days they seem to be against that.  We saw the same with Yamaha a few years ago.

Parts:  Swing arm.  Suspension. Brakes. Frame rigidity and a longish list more.
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #965 on: September 17, 2020, 10:11:55 am »
"Currently the Honda is not a particularly user friendly bike" ........................... fair enough, perhaps.

But then, what is the description of a shit bike?

A bike, that with all the modern technology available today, cannot be adapted to suit different riders.
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #966 on: September 17, 2020, 10:38:07 am »
Or, to put it another way ............ MM makes a shit bike look good and the others make good bikes look shit.

No, the bike is shit for others. But it is a bespoke design en build specifically for MM. So for him it is the best bike and his results mostly show that.
The fact that you have to ride the tits off the thing and constantly push the envelope is another discussion, but still good for us and the sport as a show.
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #967 on: September 17, 2020, 02:56:06 pm »
Or, to put it another way ............ MM makes a shit bike look good and the others make good bikes look shit.

No, the bike is shit for others. But it is a bespoke design en build specifically for MM. So for him it is the best bike and his results mostly show that.
The fact that you have to ride the tits off the thing and constantly push the envelope is another discussion, but still good for us and the sport as a show.

For sure  :thumleft:

Based on results I'd own a Jap bike and speak Spanish or Italian .................... but I don't.

I ride a KTM and speak South African ............................ Just like my brand new hero. AND he doesn't have a squeaky voice ......................  :biggrin:
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #968 on: September 17, 2020, 08:55:11 pm »
Or, to put it another way ............ MM makes a shit bike look good and the others make good bikes look shit.

No, the bike is shit for others. But it is a bespoke design en build specifically for MM. So for him it is the best bike and his results mostly show that.
The fact that you have to ride the tits off the thing and constantly push the envelope is another discussion, but still good for us and the sport as a show.

For sure  :thumleft:

Based on results I'd own a Jap bike and speak Spanish or Italian .................... but I don't.

I ride a KTM and speak South African ............................ Just like my brand new hero. AND he doesn't have a squeaky voice ......................  :biggrin:

But his results are somewhat squeaky....... :snorting:
 

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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #969 on: September 18, 2020, 08:17:53 am »
A video I watched last night on which looks at the difference between an F1 car and a MotoGP bike at Mugello (now that F1 cars have raced at Mugello). I really only watch F1 highlight stuff on YouTube and I didn't think the difference was that great. 4 seconds faster in just one corner  :o.



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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #970 on: September 18, 2020, 10:27:50 am »
A video I watched last night on which looks at the difference between an F1 car and a MotoGP bike at Mugello (now that F1 cars have raced at Mugello). I really only watch F1 highlight stuff on YouTube and I didn't think the difference was that great. 4 seconds faster in just one corner  :o.


No surprise really because of all the down force and having 4 wheels and brakes. I actually ended up on a Supersport channel on Saturday and watched a little bit of F1 practice. I have not watched F1 in about ten years and the first thing I noticed is just how quick they were around corners almost unreal !! But it's still boring and the cars sound worse then ever before although they now most likely make more power than before ? Give me Senna in a manual V12 but then I also like the T7  >:D
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #971 on: September 18, 2020, 12:17:42 pm »
F1 drivers regularly experience up to 5g's as a result of the grip the cars generate.

Just unbelievable!
I wonder where that gravel road goes? And that, has usually made all the difference. (Apologies to Mr Frost)

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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #972 on: September 18, 2020, 12:23:11 pm »
Not to mention going from 0-200 in just over 4 sec.
But yes, braking and cornering is where the big gains are made.
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #973 on: September 18, 2020, 12:37:22 pm »
Chili has been diagnosed with Parkinsons....
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #974 on: September 18, 2020, 12:37:49 pm »
4 tekkies, 4 anchors and a whole load of down-force, different center of gravity ..... what could one expect?

Even though I preferred the 80's and 90's in F1 it is still valuable to me but I still prefer motorcycle racing  :thumleft:
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #975 on: September 18, 2020, 12:39:09 pm »
Chili has been diagnosed with Parkinsons....

Thats crap, PF was one of my favorite nice guys
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #976 on: September 18, 2020, 12:45:21 pm »
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #977 on: September 18, 2020, 12:52:29 pm »
I have some F1 fan friends who used to tel mehow incredible a F1 car is to take off 30 seconds on a bike's lap.

I tell them that they should fit 4 motorcycle tyres to the F1 car, it will still have double the rubber of the bike, but the bike will smoke it silly.

 

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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #978 on: September 18, 2020, 01:42:54 pm »
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #979 on: September 18, 2020, 02:20:20 pm »
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