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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #1220 on: November 17, 2020, 10:06:23 am »
  I think Yamaha have some serious issues in the management of the team.  Not Jarvis, but even higher up.  They are still not serious about the European testing team work done by them.   

Please could you elaborate on this point
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #1221 on: November 17, 2020, 03:17:06 pm »
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #1222 on: November 17, 2020, 04:02:00 pm »
It really is a good looking bike  :thumleft:

This season has been amazing in so many respects. Almost 10 different riders willing races.. Everyone's championship to throw away and Suzuki showing the other teams who is boss.

I'm still a bit shocked at the Honda, Yamaha and Ducati factory teams performance

For me one of the most impressive riders of the year was Nakagami .. I remember watching him come in last place almost every race 2 years ago, now he is right up there giving it horns. He was a pleasure to watch.
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #1223 on: November 17, 2020, 04:29:03 pm »
It really is a good looking bike  :thumleft:

This season has been amazing in so many respects. Almost 10 different riders willing races.. Everyone's championship to throw away and Suzuki showing the other teams who is boss.

I'm still a bit shocked at the Honda, Yamaha and Ducati factory teams performance

For me one of the most impressive riders of the year was Nakagami .. I remember watching him come in last place almost every race 2 years ago, now he is right up there giving it horns. He was a pleasure to watch.

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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #1224 on: November 17, 2020, 04:52:04 pm »
It really is a good looking bike  :thumleft:

This season has been amazing in so many respects. Almost 10 different riders willing races.. Everyone's championship to throw away and Suzuki showing the other teams who is boss.

I'm still a bit shocked at the Honda, Yamaha and Ducati factory teams performance

For me one of the most impressive riders of the year was Nakagami .. I remember watching him come in last place almost every race 2 years ago, now he is right up there giving it horns. He was a pleasure to watch.

Everyone keeps saying Yamaha have had a nightmare season. They have won 7 races.Way more than any other manufacturer so they havenít had such a shit season.

At this point thatís more than all the other manufacturers put together..........and they still didnít win the championship  :imaposer:

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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #1225 on: November 17, 2020, 05:43:29 pm »
Everyone keeps saying Yamaha have had a nightmare season. They have won 7 races.Way more than any other manufacturer so they havenít had such a shit season.

At this point thatís more than all the other manufacturers put together..........and they still didnít win the championship  :imaposer:

The bold bit, with your  :imaposer: is not an indication that Yamaha had a shit season?  7 Wins, but .....

-  Yamaha Factory, only 1 of the 7 wins.
-  Yamaha Factory only 3 podiums.
-  Best factory bike likely to be fourth in the championship.
-  Three blown engines during a single season. Two of which caused DNFs in a race.
-  One further DNF due to an electrical problem.
-  Yamaha Factory team likely to finish 5th in the Team Championship.  That is 2 spots BEHIND their own satellite team!
-  Yamaha likely to finish third in the Constructors Championsip.
-  The valve chaos.

They definitely had a shit year.

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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #1226 on: November 17, 2020, 05:51:35 pm »
  I think Yamaha have some serious issues in the management of the team.  Not Jarvis, but even higher up.  They are still not serious about the European testing team work done by them.   

Please could you elaborate on this point

I have no solid proof, or even a rumour to go by, so this is completely my personal feeling formed from a couple of issues noted over the past few seasons.

- When the single ECU were introduced Honda and Ducati immediately poached top engineers from the ECU manufacturing company.  Yamaha didn't.
- Honda and Suzuki have very strong European hubs where they develop the bikes and they do serious European testing.  Yamaha only started that last year and still didn't seem to take it seriously.
- All the teams use experienced MotoGP test riders.  Yamaha didn't.  Then for 2020 got one of the best there is and didn't utilize him.  Even when he did test, he was on a 2019 bike.
- Yamaha have preset parameters to which the bikes must be setup and refused to deviate from these.  This is ridiculous in this day and age.
- The cock-up with the valves.  The initial mistake is extremely amateur.  The attempted cover up, even more so.

Like I said, just a personal itch I am feeling.

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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #1227 on: November 17, 2020, 08:05:40 pm »
- All the teams use experienced MotoGP test riders.  Yamaha didn't.  Then for 2020 got one of the best there is and didn't utilize him.  Even when he did test, he was on a 2019 bike.
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #1228 on: November 17, 2020, 08:14:39 pm »
- All the teams use experienced MotoGP test riders.  Yamaha didn't.  Then for 2020 got one of the best there is and didn't utilize him.  Even when he did test, he was on a 2019 bike.
But they have the Doctor! :biggrin:

They chose to ignore his inputs and use that of MV instead. 
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #1229 on: November 17, 2020, 08:16:49 pm »
- All the teams use experienced MotoGP test riders.  Yamaha didn't.  Then for 2020 got one of the best there is and didn't utilize him.  Even when he did test, he was on a 2019 bike.
But they have the Doctor! :biggrin:

They chose to ignore his inputs and use that of MV instead.
I think Dovi and Rossi should form their own team using Suzuki's... >:D
 

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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #1230 on: November 17, 2020, 08:32:05 pm »
- All the teams use experienced MotoGP test riders.  Yamaha didn't.  Then for 2020 got one of the best there is and didn't utilize him.  Even when he did test, he was on a 2019 bike.
But they have the Doctor! :biggrin:

They chose to ignore his inputs and use that of MV instead.
I think Dovi and Rossi should form their own team using Suzuki's... >:D

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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #1231 on: November 17, 2020, 08:55:37 pm »
- All the teams use experienced MotoGP test riders.  Yamaha didn't.  Then for 2020 got one of the best there is and didn't utilize him.  Even when he did test, he was on a 2019 bike.
But they have the Doctor! :biggrin:

They chose to ignore his inputs and use that of MV instead.

They could not hear Rossi from that far back. :biggrin:
 

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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #1232 on: November 17, 2020, 09:01:20 pm »
- All the teams use experienced MotoGP test riders.  Yamaha didn't.  Then for 2020 got one of the best there is and didn't utilize him.  Even when he did test, he was on a 2019 bike.
But they have the Doctor! :biggrin:

They chose to ignore his inputs and use that of MV instead.
I think Dovi and Rossi should form their own team using Suzuki's... >:D

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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #1233 on: November 17, 2020, 10:17:28 pm »
So who is going to get the open Aprillia spot?
Lorenzo?
Davies?
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #1234 on: November 18, 2020, 01:40:20 am »
Just watched a video on engine types.

Am I right in saying the V4 that Honda use is faster than the in line 4 and the V4, 90 degree Ducati is even faster than the Honda.

It's like the more V, the more power you have.

If so, it sorta points to a flat V being the fastest of all, like a Porsche.

Or that other bike engine I won't mention.........
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #1235 on: November 18, 2020, 11:34:55 am »
Just watched a video on engine types.

Am I right in saying the V4 that Honda use is faster than the in line 4 and the V4, 90 degree Ducati is even faster than the Honda.

It's like the more V, the more power you have.

If so, it sorta points to a flat V being the fastest of all, like a Porsche.

Or that other bike engine I won't mention.........

It seems that the current MotoGP crowd is able to extract more power from their V4s than Suzuki, or Yamaha can from their inline 4s.  But then, it seems they are getting more than Aprilia and possibly KTM from their V4s.  My understanding is that there is always a balance to be found.  V4s in general more powerful, but makes the bike more difficult to handle for some reason.  I read a very complex description on this and it was way beyond my level of understanding, so I can't explain it any better.

It has to do with the V4s crank being shorter, therefore stiffer to handle more power.  The inline4 is more stable because of its longer crank.

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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #1236 on: November 18, 2020, 11:46:41 am »
- All the teams use experienced MotoGP test riders.  Yamaha didn't.  Then for 2020 got one of the best there is and didn't utilize him.  Even when he did test, he was on a 2019 bike.
But they have the Doctor! :biggrin:

They chose to ignore his inputs and use that of MV instead.

They could not hear Rossi from that far back. :biggrin:

Grapjas!   :laughing4:

Thing is, back then, they could hear him.  Let us assume MM never came to MotoGP and whoever came in his place was as fast as as I am, therefore not in the picture, the championships would have been (Factory Yamaha).

2013:  Yamaha 1, 3
2014:  Yamaha 1, 2
2015:  Yamaha 1, 2 (This is where they actually finished.
2016:  Yamaha 1, 2
2017:  Yamaha 2, 4
2018:  Yamaha 2, 3
2019:  Yamaha 2, 6
2020:  Yamaha 3, 14

Seems those 1s are disappearing, even with MM not in it.
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #1237 on: November 18, 2020, 02:00:05 pm »
It really is a good looking bike  :thumleft:

This season has been amazing in so many respects. Almost 10 different riders willing races.. Everyone's championship to throw away and Suzuki showing the other teams who is boss.

I'm still a bit shocked at the Honda, Yamaha and Ducati factory teams performance

For me one of the most impressive riders of the year was Nakagami .. I remember watching him come in last place almost every race 2 years ago, now he is right up there giving it horns. He was a pleasure to watch.

Everyone keeps saying Yamaha have had a nightmare season. They have won 7 races.Way more than any other manufacturer so they havenít had such a shit season.

At this point thatís more than all the other manufacturers put together..........and they still didnít win the championship  :imaposer:

To be very honest when I comment on Moto GP I only really look at the performance of the factory teams.. lets call it what it is, the factory teams have the money, the sponsors, the riders, the technology 1st look at development  etc.. one would expect the factory teams to be drilling the satelite teams.

I would say that Yamaha had a terrible season as Fabio Quartararo &  ‎Franco Morbidelli dominated Rossi & Vinales

I am a Repsol Honda supporter and I would say the same thing about them.. I think its unfathomable and a bit embarrasing that Nakagami beat any of the factory Honda riders.

Its going to be interesting with Rossi going to Petronas next year.

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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #1238 on: November 18, 2020, 02:03:24 pm »
So who is going to get the open Aprillia spot?
Lorenzo?
Davies?
2SmokeDan?

If you watch moto2 they said the Martin and Garzo are going up to Aprilia spots.. Im sure that is what I heard but it could have just been commentator banter.
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Re: MotoGP 2020
« Reply #1239 on: November 18, 2020, 02:47:13 pm »
Its going to be interesting with Rossi going to Petronas next year.

It will be very interesting.  There are two reasons why Petronas is doing so well.  First, they have a large budget.  Possibly as big, or bigger than the factory team.  Second, perhaps more important, is that their team management are not afraid to make changes in tune and setup outside the parameters set by Yamaha Factory, i.e. they will be more willing to take on rider input.

Then, the last person to win a championship on a satellite bike was VR46 himself.
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