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Re: Recommendation on a street legal "plastic" - smaller than KTM 500
« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2020, 10:59:22 am »
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Re: Recommendation on a street legal "plastic" - smaller than KTM 500
« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2020, 03:42:06 pm »
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Re: Recommendation on a street legal "plastic" - smaller than KTM 500
« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2020, 10:53:23 am »
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Re: Recommendation on a street legal "plastic" - smaller than KTM 500
« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2020, 12:37:12 pm »
I am watching this tread with interest. I use my Africa Twin for road touring, and will venture onto 'green' off road routes. I am not prepared to do the technical stuff, although the bike is quite capable of doing it. I use my KLR for the rougher stuff. It can fall without costing much to fix. It however is heavy and does not have great suspension for the really technical stuff. I was looking at something in the 450 range, that had better suspension and would be lighter than the KLR. I would like a street legal bike, so I can ride it to the off-road venue if I wish to do that.
 
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Re: Recommendation on a street legal "plastic" - smaller than KTM 500
« Reply #24 on: January 28, 2020, 01:22:08 pm »
I have a KTM 450 EXC-Racing (Dont know what the difference could be between a normal EXC and the -Racing version but that's what the book says I have) I bought it about 6 years ago when I started getting into dirtbiking. It has been six years of me doing things with that bike that it wasn't designed for. Riding mountains and going where the 300's like to live. Its heavier yes but I don't realize it plus it has the easy power delivery, pop it in first or second and it has traction for days. It just thumps its way up any mountain.

It has also seen an Amageza rally as well as the West coast Baja, been into Lesotho and the mountains n Matatiele. Max speed I can recall on the bike was over 140kph and can sit at 120 all day. Its also road legal and that's why I have been thinking of converting it to a Motard. Fuel consumption isn't bad but not the best ever, you would need a larger tank than the standard 6-8 L they come with. Mine is a 2007 model so about 13 years old and still surprises me to this day with how easy and fun it is.  I still have all the bits to put it back to roadworthy. Suspsension isnt bad, but I am heavy and with all the rally kit we did up the springs one level.

Some negatives, Small tank, no windscreen, no packing space, no cush drives ( It just puts less strain on the drive train but not a massive issue) I do about 25km to the enduro track with mine when I want to ride.

If you were closer you could take mine for a spin, I believe the 450's are the best, enough power and light. I feel the smaller bikes get strained when riding the tar at higher speeds and the 500  has more power than you need I think.

I am still in two minds if i want to sell mine, need a 300 as the 450 does take strain in the rocks, but I Iove this bike and it has never let me down. its a hearts vs minds fight.
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Re: Recommendation on a street legal "plastic" - smaller than KTM 500
« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2020, 10:22:17 am »
all the comments I've seen to date is that the KTM 500 can be a handful - both power as well as weight.

Really?
Now pull the other one!

Around 106kg, oodles of torque right off idle & with a wide ratio gearbox makes for a perfect plastic.... but it's on the road, you knew?
Ridden one yet?
I think you should!  ;)
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Re: Recommendation on a street legal "plastic" - smaller than KTM 500
« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2020, 10:36:56 am »
He had ridden my 500 many times but felt it was a bit wild for the rough stuff, at his age of 60. The 350 is a bit lighter than the 500, a bit more calm, but otherwise the same.

A 500 is what, 3kg heavier than a 300tpi ... 4 maybe?
Thereabouts, and really, he felt that difference?
My hat off to him, I can't feel it!
Yea, the 300's engine doesn't stall - well it does eventually if I try hard - but there's very little between them weight-handling wise.

Come ride mine @DustySprocket , pm me if interested, Pretoria boy here - and NO, it's not for sale!  :P
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Re: Recommendation on a street legal "plastic" - smaller than KTM 500
« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2020, 11:10:52 am »
Got nothing to do with the 3kg difference.

It's about the 500's increased inertia and hp

If you ride both bikes hard, you WILL feel a weight difference.

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Re: Recommendation on a street legal "plastic" - smaller than KTM 500
« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2020, 11:33:21 am »
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If you were closer you could take mine for a spin, I believe the 450's are the best, enough power and light. I feel the smaller bikes get strained when riding the tar at higher speeds and the 500  has more power than you need I think.
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You see, its not that simple.  Lets take a 2020 500 EXC-F.  It is much more benign than your old 450, this thing comes even with reeds in the intake to kill intake noise and to smooth the power out. A Husqvarna FX 450 (63hp) will kill a KTM 500, but its a competition model.  I see a steady stream of these bikes through my workshop, and the newest KTMs are almost perfect rough terrain travel bikes.  Its seems that KTM is focusing on building dual sports rather than all out race bikes. 
 
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Re: Recommendation on a street legal "plastic" - smaller than KTM 500
« Reply #29 on: February 03, 2020, 10:44:46 am »
As Dirtwarp says, although the 500 only weighs a few kg's more than a 300, it feel MUCH heavier when the going gets tough. In heavy technical terrain, even the 350 weighs a lots more than a 300 (feels a lot heavier). I've had all three. It is caused by the centrifugal forces of the bigger engines (inertia).

Then there's also off-road (gravel tracks and Jeep tracks, etc.) and OFF ROAD (single track, mountain cattle passes, rock, etc.). For the odd dirt road, dunes, mildly technical areas, I'd choose a KTM 500. Very lekker bikes, and fun to ride. For tighter stuff, I'd go for a WR 250 F. The WR 250 R, never came to SA officially. It's road-going bike different in looks, weight and performance - much like a CRF 250 L. The older WR's are bullet-proof. I've had a few of them too.

You may battle to get a road-worthy WR 250 though. Also note that the older WR's have shocking forks. They will need work if you want to ride aggressively. Same applies to the KTM Freerides. Spindly forks and pathetic brakes. But again, if you just plan to tootle along, they will be fine, especially the 350 version - and they can be picked up for very reasonable prices.
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Re: Recommendation on a street legal "plastic" - smaller than KTM 500
« Reply #30 on: February 03, 2020, 09:16:25 pm »
Just for a different perspective here. The F850GS tips the scales at 229kg wet, the KTM EXC 500 is around half that weight all fueled up etc. - and clearly the KTM is a much better dirt bike with proper suspension etc.and will be a serious weapon in the right hands to attack hardcore terrain at speed. How much hardcore or speed attacking do you intend - or need to be? Are you planning to be sitting down for any length of time?

My understanding of this is a lot more soft cock old school tempered by observation too. In 2012 a bunch of us got together in KZN riding XR650L and KTM 690's. A great combination because the bikes did the same thing almost equally well. My 650L went on a crashcourse of dieting which got her down to around 135kg tank empty and 149kg tank full bunkering 18L in the Clarke tank. (I got a spreadsheet somewhere)  For comparison's sake that is 80kg (176 pounds) lighter than a F850GS. That is a huge difference. Factor in that you have a well padded seat which is all day comfortable and you can still cruise open roads at 110 - 130 all day long. A big dirtbike made in DualSport heaven then. Wait a minute here. My riding mates all got cocky after a few years and decided to chase the latest greatest new shiny thing on the horizon ie. KTM 500 / Husky 501. Guess what? After 1-2 years these bikes have been sold or are currently for sale.

I think this post subject line is clickbait of note - if you are comparing whales (F850GS) with race-worthy big bore dirtbikes (KTM 500) or smaller and still looking for the fabled smaller unicorn - then you are barking up the wrong tree. Focus bru and may your search for the perfect bike find you successful.
I think a CRF230 with a long range tank would make a great go slow and hard alternative to everything else. DRZ 400E - no thanks. I'll be back on my 650L soon...
 

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Re: Recommendation on a street legal "plastic" - smaller than KTM 500
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Re: Recommendation on a street legal "plastic" - smaller than KTM 500
« Reply #33 on: February 03, 2020, 09:39:28 pm »
Someone suggested that a KDX 200 was a good starter bike if you're less experienced?

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Re: Recommendation on a street legal "plastic" - smaller than KTM 500
« Reply #34 on: February 03, 2020, 09:47:16 pm »
Amazing!
Both the video and the KDX
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Re: Recommendation on a street legal "plastic" - smaller than KTM 500
« Reply #35 on: February 03, 2020, 10:06:25 pm »
So educate me a bit.......what makes the KDX such a good choice. I'm really keen to try my hand at some "baby" enduro riding.  Both to increase my skill and riding fitness.

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Re: Recommendation on a street legal "plastic" - smaller than KTM 500
« Reply #36 on: February 03, 2020, 10:21:53 pm »
I went to KTM today and got a qoute on a new 500.
But I want to get a set of motard wheels also  :biggrin:
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Re: Recommendation on a street legal "plastic" - smaller than KTM 500
« Reply #37 on: February 04, 2020, 09:37:44 am »
So educate me a bit.......what makes the KDX such a good choice

The KDX was on the market for a loooong period without any changes, never mind colours & stickers.
This makes for a simple spares situation, perhaps important because it's discontinued for a while now.
It is good at nothing specific, and it's bad at nothing specific either - it's a forgiving bike, not intimidating (lowish too), just works well for weekend warriors, a 'lekker' bike.
It's reliable too, just renew the piston in time otherwise the barrel will go off.
Don't expect massive power or world beating suspension, in fact when new it didn't have that... but it is a lekker bike!
Oh, and it's green if that's important to you, which was to me when I bought mine new in '98.
I learned myself offroad riding on it, and it falls well too  ;)
Never broke, still going fine albeit in the Cape.

Oh, a KDX is a 200cc here, don't think we ever got the 250 (which I would not buy icw spares).
There's still some pristine examples around, saw one @Runner 's shop not too long ago.
Go ask for a ride on one, you'll discover it rides 'lekker' .... and that it what you want when learning to find your own limits!
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Re: Recommendation on a street legal "plastic" - smaller than KTM 500
« Reply #38 on: February 04, 2020, 09:56:11 am »
KDX 250 would be a grey import with lower specs than a 200 (lower compression, extra ring, scaled down suspension etc). Two different bikes and most would be as old a the Ark by now.
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Re: Recommendation on a street legal "plastic" - smaller than KTM 500
« Reply #39 on: February 05, 2020, 08:43:11 am »
But I want to get a set of motard wheels also  :biggrin:

For the price of a proper motard conversion you could almost get a whole bike http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=241222

Don't laugh, I had a gumtree offer for just the wheels  ::) wonder what I am supposed to do with the rest of the bike  :-\
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