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Sending a bike overseas - permanently
« on: February 04, 2020, 01:25:50 pm »
So, this is the plan ........................ to send my 950 to the UK to my family's address or collect at the harbour. Then ride it around for a few weeks in Europe and settle in the Netherlands. I'll be living there permanently and will need to register the bike there as well.

Now, is this possible and how do I do it? Do you guys know of any reputable transport people I can use? I want the bike boxed, like Andy660 did, not just tied down in a container, as there may be bits and pieces traveliing with it.

And from a paperwork perspective, what is needed? The bike is registered in my name with no finance commitments.

My present understanding is I can ship it there and .............................. actually, I have no understanding. I don't know whether it's possible or the bike has to return here ....................  ???
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Re: Sending a bike overseas - permanently
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2020, 01:37:02 pm »
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Re: Sending a bike overseas - permanently
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2020, 01:39:04 pm »
I would start with one of the reputable Freight Forwarders - they do this for a living, get a quote and then shop around....
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Re: Sending a bike overseas - permanently
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2020, 01:46:14 pm »
Stuttaford Vanlines can do it, they also offer insurance and have agents to collect and assist with customs and port formalities at destination.
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Re: Sending a bike overseas - permanently
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2020, 01:47:22 pm »
I would start with one of the reputable Freight Forwarders - they do this for a living, get a quote and then shop around....

That was the question, Mr Turtle .....................  :biggrin:
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Re: Sending a bike overseas - permanently
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2020, 01:53:40 pm »
I would start with one of the reputable Freight Forwarders - they do this for a living, get a quote and then shop around....

That was the question, Mr Turtle .....................  :biggrin:

I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.....   :imaposer:

My family used Stuttafords as well - they took a Bentley and a XT500 to the UK a few years back - no issues at all.... Except the import duty on the Bentley, that was an issue.....  :biggrin:
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Re: Sending a bike overseas - permanently
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2020, 01:59:38 pm »
Thanks, boys, I've contacted stuttafords ............ :thumleft:

Let's see who else is out there. I've tried getting hold of Andy660 but he's gone missing. I hope they haven't stabbed him already.
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Re: Sending a bike overseas - permanently
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2020, 02:02:30 pm »
So, this is the plan ........................ to send my 950 to the UK to my family's address or collect at the harbour. Then ride it around for a few weeks in Europe and settle in the Netherlands. I'll be living there permanently and will need to register the bike there as well.

Now, is this possible and how do I do it? Do you guys know of any reputable transport people I can use? I want the bike boxed, like Andy660 did, not just tied down in a container, as there may be bits and pieces traveliing with it.

And from a paperwork perspective, what is needed? The bike is registered in my name with no finance commitments.

My present understanding is I can ship it there and .............................. actually, I have no understanding. I don't know whether it's possible or the bike has to return here ....................  ???

If you have owned it for more than say a year, you can take it with I believe, get hold of a "friend" at Katoom or BMW etc see if you can get a crate from them from a new bike, much easier  :biggrin: you could wait for a T7 Yamaha case but I don't think you have time.  :sip:
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Re: Sending a bike overseas - permanently
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2020, 02:07:01 pm »
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Re: Sending a bike overseas - permanently
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2020, 02:34:59 pm »
So, this is the plan ........................ to send my 950 to the UK to my family's address or collect at the harbour. Then ride it around for a few weeks in Europe and settle in the Netherlands. I'll be living there permanently and will need to register the bike there as well.

Now, is this possible and how do I do it? Do you guys know of any reputable transport people I can use? I want the bike boxed, like Andy660 did, not just tied down in a container, as there may be bits and pieces traveliing with it.

And from a paperwork perspective, what is needed? The bike is registered in my name with no finance commitments.

My present understanding is I can ship it there and .............................. actually, I have no understanding. I don't know whether it's possible or the bike has to return here ....................  ???

If you have owned it for more than say a year, you can take it with I believe, get hold of a "friend" at Katoom or BMW etc see if you can get a crate from them from a new bike, much easier  :biggrin: you could wait for a T7 Yamaha case but I don't think you have time.  :sip:

If Cracker can source a T7, I will buy the bike and give him the crate free.....  :pot:
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Re: Sending a bike overseas - permanently
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2020, 02:45:27 pm »
This is a serious thread, chaps, let's leave the unicorn piss out of it ..............  :deal: :imaposer:
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Re: Sending a bike overseas - permanently
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2020, 02:55:12 pm »
Adrian Schultz
Director, Econo Trans
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 Tel. +27-21-5115513.
 Fax +27-21-5114707
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Tx, Chris, I've sent Adrian an email ......................  :thumleft:
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Re: Sending a bike overseas - permanently
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2020, 03:02:46 pm »
https://www.seabrookfandh.com/

This was my quote for a Autovilla to the UK


SA branch charges: Origin / Export
1. USD 1895 for the shipping
2. ZAR 4495 for the police clearance and ITAC export permit
3. ZAR 7595 for the relocation to Cape Town (from Pretoria)
Your SA total in Rands at today's exchange rate: R 36 156.50
               
Our UK branch charges: Destination / Import
Destination charges in London: GBP 450 for vehicle
 
Includes: Container dray, port fees, unloading and customs clearance
 
Excludes: duties and taxes (if applicable)
« Last Edit: February 04, 2020, 03:04:26 pm by Bike_Buddies »
 

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Re: Sending a bike overseas - permanently
« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2020, 05:17:45 pm »
@Cracker ,

you, having served many an oddball remark on this forum (for which my farging thanks btw!!! :P ), surely can appreciate an oddball echo... ever thought about selling it, and only rent bikes there when your gat juks?
I have quite a number of friends there, and all have sold their steed and rent these days, for some maybe notsoobvious reasons:
- parking as well as storing the bike during winter, both costing not inconsiderate amounts
- they say it's way cheaper
Also, for any off you'll need to travel quite a bit, obviously depending on where you'll end up.
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Re: Sending a bike overseas - permanently
« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2020, 08:49:36 pm »
Yes, yes, yes, that all makes sense ..................... but I like this bike. I've spent a gazillion rand on making it work AND be as uncomfortable as possible.

If I was buying again, I would never buy a tall bike .................... I have to pick this thing off the ground way too often. Worse than a drunk fat chick.

However ....................  it is mine, I like it, it works flawlessly (now) and I need to take a piece of ME with me.

AND, those Dutchmen need to need to know that I am there and their shit is booked ......................................  :pot:

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But, then again, if this is gonna cost too much, I'll sell it and catch the bus.   :imaposer: :imaposer:
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Re: Sending a bike overseas - permanently
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2020, 09:04:11 pm »
Yes, yes, yes, that all makes sense ..................... but I like this bike. I've spent a gazillion rand on making it work AND be as uncomfortable as possible.

If I was buying again, I would never buy a tall bike .................... I have to pick this thing off the ground way too often. Worse than a drunk fat chick.

However ....................  it is mine, I like it, it works flawlessly (now) and I need to take a piece of ME with me.

AND, those Dutchmen need to need to know that I am there and their shit is booked ......................................  :pot:

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But, then again, if this is gonna cost too much, I'll sell it and catch the bus.   :imaposer: :imaposer:

Well said. Well said.  :thumleft:

I love the part of "Take a piece of me, with me". Really moving...not sure why but I found that very moving. Money comes and money goes, more often towards things we dont really think about. Having your bike with you in Dutchland might just be the thing that pulls you out if the doldrums on those cold rainy days. Even if it just sits in the lounge and you sit next to her with a hot cup of milo wondering what your both doing over there and how it all came to this...

I dont know...for me I'd pay the money. Take my baby with and keep it for the good memories even if I can only ride her 2 months a year.

But that's me...as I said money will always get spent.

Good luck Cracker, always enjoyed the few times I was in your company. Your place had such a cool energy about it and it's sad to see another quality guy leave the country. I'm sure you'll do well in Dutchland, lots of pretty dutch girls that side to keep your attention, pretty decent beer and really good weed so not all is lost.

Plus a couple weeks on the KTM riding around Europe in the summer months wouldn't be such a bad thing I reckon...
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Re: Sending a bike overseas - permanently
« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2020, 11:05:23 pm »
@Cracker ,

Joe hef meel!

Also, if you take it across and register it a few things
- drag this out to the maximum period possible so as to save you the roadtax (WegenBelasting) due, for here you ju$t may have an unplea$ant $urpri$e coming
- depending on the age of your steed it may be registered in a way you have to pay this only for a few month per year, but ask someone who knows these rules (I do not)
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Re: Sending a bike overseas - permanently
« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2020, 11:59:53 pm »
Hi Cracker, I can maybe enlighten you a bit.
I live in the UK now and busy sending my 1150GSA from ZA to join me. Why, people will ask.

My 1150GSa is in great condition, has about 65k km and I have owned it for about 5 years, so I kinda know what good and what's going to need attention next.
From the ZA WA group I'm on (1100 and 1150 BM owners) plus this forum, I have a fair idea of what my bike could sell for in ZA. I took that value and added what I was quoted door to door  shipping and converted to 's. I then looked on Autotrader UK and found only 2 GSA's (quite a few GS's) For my s I had little to choose from, in worse condition than mine and I don't know its history. It was a no brainer.

I had asked on Wilddogs if anyone had any suggestions for a shipping company. I was given then name Moto Freight Ltd, a British company that ships bikes around the world. They have been great at keeping me updated with what's needed. They also put me in contact with their ZA agent who happens to be Ardrian from EconoTrans, the same person Chris suggested below.

Adrian then put me in contact with a guy in Durban (where my bike was) who would do the following for me. You will need to do the same. The bike has to be Datadot'd and then get police clearance. Also the bike must be shipped with an empty fuel tank. Tools and spares can be shipped with the bike but no oils. The oil in the bike can stay there. I was going back to Durban  for Christmas so rode the fuel out, cleaned the bike, removed the mirrors and screen and put all my spares in the panniers. I then met the guy and handed over the bike, panniers, extra seat and Logbook. I brought the screen back in my luggage. He did the police clearance and Datatagging for a small fee ( I wasn't prepared to spend a few days of my holiday running around doing that and shuffling seats in government offices in Durban heat) The bike is now crated with the 3xpanniers and seat and I believe with Adrian awaiting shipping.

Note, I will also have to pay VAT in the UK because I have been living here for 2 years. If I had shipped it withing my first 12 months I would have got tax relief ie no VAT.

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Re: Sending a bike overseas - permanently
« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2020, 12:43:18 am »
Well, my bikes cost me nothing during winter.
They hang around my garage.

My cafe racer has zero wegenbelasting and my 990 costs me the price of 2 beers per month.

Insurance is cheap enough that I don't even recall how much that is. My Merc plus 2 bikes is 58 a month.
Bought everything cash so their monthly costs are next to nothing.

I have to disagree with the statements that wegenbelasting will be a nasty surprise and renting a bike will be cheaper.
Also, NL TET is no more than 80km away from pretty much anywhere in the Netherlands.
So I have to disagree with that statement too

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« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2020, 07:13:41 am »
Thanks, lads, some good responses there. Didn't think of datadot.
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