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Offline bigkuri

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SA 1982 bike registration papers (NZ import)
« on: April 06, 2020, 10:28:08 pm »
Hi All,

What a great resource, I logged on after being pointed here from advrider.com and just lost two hours reading through some of the ride reports :)

I'm a Kiwi, living in NZ, and have a question; this is the post I put up on advrider before being recommended this site:


I recently purchased an old K750 L2 off an elderly safa gent here in NZ. He moved over here 20 years ago, and bought with him his 1982 K750 L2.

He has the NZ customs stamp to prove it was inspected, but after that the bike sat in his garage unused for the last 20 years.

I'm getting the bike on the road (after this virus lock-down is over), and in NZ to get certification and a NZ plate you need:
"the original documents that prove previous registration and provide an ownership trail that goes back to the last registered owner in the country where the vehicle was last registered"

The problem is, the chap does not have any record of his SA ownership, and rightly states there is next to no chance of him getting a duplicate as those records were all paper back then and likely lost, especially as the bike was taken out of the country.


My options seem to be:
a) see if there is a NZ exception process where there are no ownership papers. I think this involves listing the bike with the Police, and after a certain amount of time (year/s) you can claim it.
b) come up with some paper replica of SA original ownership documents
c) ????

Any ideas or insight as to how SA registrations worked back in 1982? I tried the SA govt website, but most of their links didn't work, and it was all round useless.

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Re: SA 1982 bike registration papers (NZ import)
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2020, 10:37:15 pm »
Hi there,

I am in a similar boat. I brought my old 1981 XL500S with me to the USA, but the shipping company "lost" the original registration certificate that I need to get it licensed and legally on the road here. I have been trying to get a duplicate Registration Certificate issued for almost a year now, and have even made use of a company back in SA that "specialises" in this kind of thing, but to no avail.

Right now I have two options;

1. Go the other legal route, and get a judge to issue a document tp the effect that the original documents are forever gone, and then try get it registered here. That will cost me several hundred US$...
2. But a used frame for the same bike locally and build the rest of the bike over onto that, the VIN number on the frame is what the DMV here uses... then just destroy the original frame that my bike came in with. I can get a used frame here for around $250...

Good luck, I'd definitely recommend that you go the route of getting the local cops to sort out the ownership. Getting anything out of SA is near impossible, and I was the actual original owner of the bike back in SA, and signed the documents needed for the 3rd party to get the new Reg Cert...   :xxbah:
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Re: SA 1982 bike registration papers (NZ import)
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2020, 10:52:00 pm »
Iím sure the numbers will still be in our system, maybe not nationally but probably provincially, so a start would be to check the licence plate, if still there or you have the info, to determine the province and then see if a kind WD in the province would take that info and engine & frame numbers to their local licensing office to see what they can find. I could try help if it was a Transvaal (T) registration, but who knows how things are going to turn out post🦠!? A duplicate registration certificate would be impossible but one might be able to coax a letter from the Authority to verify what they have on record.
 
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Re: SA 1982 bike registration papers (NZ import)
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2020, 11:35:55 pm »
Thanks Guys, that is useful.

The previous owner tried to get a duplicate when he found he'd lost the original. Like Mr Zog I think that the shipping company managed to lose it for him. His problem was that even though it was the late-90s when he shipped it over to NZ, the bike had not been used in SA since 1984. It's only got 15,000 km on it from new, and all of that was done in 1982 & 1983, then it's basically never been registered/licensed or used since. So the paper-trail is well dead.

I guess I'll try with the cops here. It's a shame as I know when I imported bikes from the UK that in NZ they just want to see a paper copy of the origin-country ownership, and after a glance at it they give a "tick" on the NZ form and that's it. It's just to ensure people don't steal something in Australia then ship it to NZ hot as a poker for immediate resell.
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Re: SA 1982 bike registration papers (NZ import)
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2020, 10:33:17 pm »
Hi Again, the original sellers wife thinks she knows where he could have stored a copy. What is she looking for in the papers? Is it a certificate type form, what color? I've searched and found the 2006 onwards SA form, but not sure if that's a valid example when this will be from the mid 80s.
 

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Re: SA 1982 bike registration papers (NZ import)
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2020, 07:08:59 am »
will be an A4 page green form as i recall, will have some can take a pic if needed
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Re: SA 1982 bike registration papers (NZ import)
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2020, 07:34:40 am »
Hi all,

I had the same issue with my 1981 XL500R. I bought it as a rolling chassis. Previous owner had no papers so I had to try and register it myself. One of the requirements was to provide a copy of original shipping certificate. I got hold of someone at Honda South Africa who informed me that when ownership changed hands in 2000 they dumped all (or some of the old) previous records. I gave him my frame and engine number and he confirmed in writing that the bike had been imported by Honda. This worked for the authorities. His details are listed below, he is a very lekker ou and a real enthusiast so send him some pics of your bikes as well. Hope this helps !!!!

ps. registration took me 8 months start to finish, most of the time wasted with documents being sent between license office in Durban and Pietermaritzburg !!!!!!

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Re: SA 1982 bike registration papers (NZ import)
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2020, 10:58:49 am »
will be an A4 page green form as i recall, will have some can take a pic if needed

Used to be Pink
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Re: SA 1982 bike registration papers (NZ import)
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2020, 12:41:29 pm »
A photo would be very handy as I've never seen one, and the original owner and his wife are a bit, umm, dottery, bless them.

At least that'll give them target - recognition!
 

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Re: SA 1982 bike registration papers (NZ import)
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2020, 08:36:44 am »
papers from 80s
twin shox, twin drum air cooled
 
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Re: SA 1982 bike registration papers (NZ import)
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2020, 03:29:46 am »
@DR BIG 750 many thanks! Ah, they are orange! The previous owners wife has been looking for green forms! This is really useful, my thanks for taking the time to photo and post, appreciated! :)
 

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Re: SA 1982 bike registration papers (NZ import)
« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2020, 07:57:34 am »
 :laughing4:They are pink its the green arrows that had stuck in my mind
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Re: SA 1982 bike registration papers (NZ import)
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2020, 05:30:27 am »
Green forms are the annual licence discs.
If you have one of them, then the vehicle data you need to get a copy registration document is all there.
But only the then registered owner or an executor can request it.
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Re: SA 1982 bike registration papers (NZ import)
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2020, 06:23:45 am »
Many thanks. I do have the disc, I've never thought to look at it. Will try my luck with that! :)
 

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Re: SA 1982 bike registration papers (NZ import)
« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2020, 06:35:45 am »
Many thanks. I do have the disc, I've never thought to look at it. Will try my luck with that! :)
Not the disc itself - the forms the disc was cut out of.
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