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Re: KTM 300tpi
« Reply #40 on: April 16, 2020, 03:10:20 pm »
Just looking after the Lithium Polymer Battery with great care.
CTEK charger for the LiPo voltage, maintenance charge now during lockdown.
Top up every ride.

This thing has no kick start

My 250FE ran the same lithium battery for 3 years with no fail and not a single charge.  Stood for weeks on end during my ACL surgery and revved it after a couple of brandies to treat my neighbors.

300TPI not a single charge since I got it in July only 50hrs now so also not much use and sometimes stood for 3-4 weeks at a time due to travel.  Some of these modern marvels are best preserved with little to no intervention.
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Re: KTM 300tpi
« Reply #41 on: April 16, 2020, 05:30:40 pm »
Olie sal nooit smeer waar dit veronderstel is om te wees nie.

Wrong, it will lube exactly there where you want a lil more when running in: the top ring!  ;)
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Re: KTM 300tpi
« Reply #42 on: April 17, 2020, 08:38:42 am »
Olie sal nooit smeer waar dit veronderstel is om te wees nie.

Wrong, it will lube exactly there where you want a lil more when running in: the top ring!  ;)

 :thumleft:

Yes, olie in die tank gaan bo op jou piston land, (nie nodig nie) maar nie waar dit veronderstel is om te smeer nie. 

Maar dit sal die TPI selfs nog leaner maak as wat hy tans is.
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Re: KTM 300tpi
« Reply #43 on: April 17, 2020, 08:40:53 am »
Olie sal nooit smeer waar dit veronderstel is om te wees nie.

Wrong, it will lube exactly there where you want a lil more when running in: the top ring!  ;)

 :thumleft:

Yes, olie in die tank gaan bo op jou piston land, (nie nodig nie) maar nie waar dit veronderstel is om te smeer nie. 

Maar dit sal die TPI selfs nog leaner maak as wat hy tans is.

Maar dit sal jou n "nat" tailpipe gee, wat goed is vir nostalgie. :ricky:
 

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Re: KTM 300tpi
« Reply #44 on: April 17, 2020, 01:31:29 pm »
Yes, olie in die tank gaan bo op jou piston land, (nie nodig nie) maar nie waar dit veronderstel is om te smeer nie.

Jy vergeet van condensation & dispersion on the cylinder walls hmm, specifically there where the honing marks create sharp protruding highs?
En vervolgens word dit 'geskraap' deur die top ring!
Tsk tsk tsk  ;)

En Danie, n tweetak gee ander nat plekke, en belowe dit het niks van doene met nostalgie nie  :P
« Last Edit: April 17, 2020, 01:33:07 pm by BuRP »
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Re: KTM 300tpi
« Reply #45 on: April 17, 2020, 02:09:52 pm »
Yes, olie in die tank gaan bo op jou piston land, (nie nodig nie) maar nie waar dit veronderstel is om te smeer nie.

Jy vergeet van condensation & dispersion on the cylinder walls hmm, specifically there where the honing marks create sharp protruding highs?
En vervolgens word dit 'geskraap' deur die top ring!
Tsk tsk tsk  ;)

En Danie, n tweetak gee ander nat plekke, en belowe dit het niks van doene met nostalgie nie  :P

@ BuRP, you a KTM techie here in the Pretoria / JHB area ?
 

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Re: KTM 300tpi
« Reply #46 on: April 17, 2020, 02:58:01 pm »
BuRP, you a KTM techie here in the Pretoria / JHB area ?

No - but I do work on my own bikes, indeed in Pretoria, at home.
I was one though, eons ago, worked on all brands... of which KTM was basically an unknown then.
How things have changed since then eh?  :P
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Re: KTM 300tpi
« Reply #47 on: April 17, 2020, 04:53:33 pm »
BuRP, you a KTM techie here in the Pretoria / JHB area ?

No - but I do work on my own bikes, indeed in Pretoria, at home.
I was one though, eons ago, worked on all brands... of which KTM was basically an unknown then.
How things have changed since then eh?  :P

Cool  :thumleft: Just thought there's a new Katoom techie in town to try, since I know all the PTA, JHB culprits  :laughing4:
 

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Re: KTM 300tpi
« Reply #48 on: April 17, 2020, 04:57:38 pm »
BuRP, you a KTM techie here in the Pretoria / JHB area ?

No - but I do work on my own bikes, indeed in Pretoria, at home.
I was one though, eons ago, worked on all brands... of which KTM was basically an unknown then.
How things have changed since then eh?  :P

You know so much about engines, and working on them, I just knew you are a KTM rider. :pot:
 

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Re: KTM 300tpi
« Reply #49 on: April 18, 2020, 09:46:30 am »
You know so much about engines, and working on them, I just knew you are a KTM rider.

Ou Dan,

I bought my CBR600RR because I wanted to ride again, not spanner.
I did too!
Then I found some farkles which had to be mounted.... so back to square one - well, more a hexagonal one!
Anyway, then I bought a 701.... and boy lemmetellyou, I had to get more spanners, those newfangled allan keys which are more like double-allans.
It still goes though, clappers spring to mind.
Then I finally bought something orange.... and my life changed!
My toolbox too  :P


But I do not seem to be alone here, let me explain.
I've never been a BMW fan, call me weird.
Had a few though but used to be a Kwacker fan, still am a bit.
But as we get on agewise our tastes 'mature' somewhat.
Yes, I have a few KTM's now.... but I know of a diehard Yamaha guy who now staans and trappels to receive his first BMW, go figure eh?
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Re: KTM 300tpi
« Reply #50 on: April 18, 2020, 02:28:33 pm »
You know so much about engines, and working on them, I just knew you are a KTM rider.

Ou Dan,

I bought my CBR600RR because I wanted to ride again, not spanner.
I did too!
Then I found some farkles which had to be mounted.... so back to square one - well, more a hexagonal one!
Anyway, then I bought a 701.... and boy lemmetellyou, I had to get more spanners, those newfangled allan keys which are more like double-allans.
It still goes though, clappers spring to mind.
Then I finally bought something orange.... and my life changed!
My toolbox too  :P


But I do not seem to be alone here, let me explain.
I've never been a BMW fan, call me weird.
Had a few though but used to be a Kwacker fan, still am a bit.
But as we get on agewise our tastes 'mature' somewhat.
Yes, I have a few KTM's now.... but I know of a diehard Yamaha guy who now staans and trappels to receive his first BMW, go figure eh?
 :thumleft:

Go away! :imaposer: :imaposer: :thumleft:
 

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Re: KTM 300tpi
« Reply #51 on: April 18, 2020, 02:43:16 pm »
Yes, olie in die tank gaan bo op jou piston land, (nie nodig nie) maar nie waar dit veronderstel is om te smeer nie.

Jy vergeet van condensation & dispersion on the cylinder walls hmm, specifically there where the honing marks create sharp protruding highs?
En vervolgens word dit 'geskraap' deur die top ring!
Tsk tsk tsk  ;)

En Danie, n tweetak gee ander nat plekke, en belowe dit het niks van doene met nostalgie nie  :P

Ok Burp, ill bite.  My mechanical knowledge is limited to the building of top ends on both 2T and 4T and 8years of bush tech whilst riding.

I didnt mean to say that you are wrong, which you weren't.  My statement was to enforce what the dealers argue that you will damage the bike if you premix.

I also understand what you are saying to the lubricity needs for running in.

I have no clue how long an injector will last if you premix but I can assure you if your TPI's oil tank is empty and you decide to premix going forward the injector will probably last longer than the bottom end as the mist/vapor will not be sufficient to take care of the big end.

Also healthier to agree on disagreeing . . . .   What baffles me more is how you got your hands on a 790 RRRR :pot:
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Re: KTM 300tpi
« Reply #52 on: April 18, 2020, 04:07:19 pm »
will not be sufficient to take care of the big end.


how you got your hands on a 790 RRRR

Correct - and never my intention. Besides also, zero need for such, as bearings (and seals) hardly need more oil to run in, they will be purrrfect with what they will get as per supplied by the OEM system.
A stroker has only 2 places where, and do remember I'm old school please, some extra lubrication will not go amiss during run-in, being skirt & rings.
But yeah, it's 2020 now, the era of rather sophisticated materials having become somewhat more commonplace, resulting in things beyond belief if not plain unbelievable only decades ago!
For instance, valves & seats... SO hard and wearproof that they're not really set anymore - rev the tits off them for years, no problem, no, better, normal!
Apparently same with Nicasil and Chrome, however do add the fine manufacturing tolerances of today.
They're very hard wearing, nigh on perfectly shaped already ex factory, plus KTM does not want you to add a smidgeon extra lube.... oh well, fine then, after all I got a warranty!  :thumleft:
Similar for the skirt, largely some fancy Teflon coating or alike, supersoft gliding over supersmooth hard only needing a hint of oil...
Of course it runs perfect, long time run-in already.
But, if not being told not to I'd have added a little (really a little!) oil to the first tank.... refer back to my old school thingy  ;)


Getting a Rally was actually easy!
I braved up by drinking strong coffee, put on my stoutest boots, went to the dealer whilst mentally preparing myself to have convincing hard discussions, walked in with big manly steps and... the lady who helped me agreed within what, 5 seconds?
Better still, she gave me a better coffee than what I have at home!  :thumleft:
Serious though, being in time i.e early enough was the trick, and no doubt anyone having one now did same.
I herewith officially thank @171steve for his post because that triggered me to don the abovementioned boots, I simply wasn't aware of the bike then  ;) - Thanks Squire  :thumleft:
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Re: KTM 300tpi
« Reply #53 on: April 20, 2020, 08:49:43 am »
Saw this on the Global TPI Fb page this morning.

Not too bad for 187hrs.

I always have an itch, and having a newer or just a new bike from time to time is awesome but I run custom suspension and the 2019 is so good they will have start slashing prices for me to justify a new bike again.  That being said Im seriously keen to rack up the hours on my own bike.

If I can find rings separately Ill be changing them around 80hrs and then top end around 160 or so with a new oil pump and that little vacuum sensor elbow.

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Re: KTM 300tpi
« Reply #54 on: April 20, 2020, 09:12:44 am »
Not too bad for 187hrs.

I agree by the looks of it ... how/what do you ride mostly?
And, what does KTM actually recommend?

During a Funduro in Stilbaai I towed a broken 300 which the nice chap proudly mentioned had 250 hours on without any problem or maintenance - proudly yes.
That had cost him a non finish, a long walk to freedom if not towed, plus whatever damage to fix once home - and if it ain't running anymore then that's more than just a piston swap!
I will stick to whatever KTM recommends to keep things simplest, if not cheapest also: a piston doesn't cost the earth but a barrel does, and don't talk to me about having to take the crank out or worse, having it redone.
Yeah, that probably will be too early for my riding/use and quite on the 'safe side', but so be it.... as said, perhaps the cheapest way plus it will run perfectly!
Plus, keeping the 'old' parts will be convincing if I sell the bike, it is the best proof that the bike was properly maintained... which translates to more value, this in contradiction to buying an upused scratched plastic with a dubious past, we've all been there  ;)
« Last Edit: April 20, 2020, 09:24:22 am by BuRP »
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Re: KTM 300tpi
« Reply #55 on: April 20, 2020, 09:16:53 am »
KTM recommend a R16k service at 60 hours, something ridiculous like that.
 

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Re: KTM 300tpi
« Reply #56 on: April 20, 2020, 09:27:17 am »
KTM recommend a R16k service at 60 hours, something ridiculous like that.

Yeah, KTM has moved to Scheduled maint intervals like car manufacturers and road bikes have been doing for years.

The 80hrs service demands, front and rear susp service, radiator fluid, brake fluid, spark plug, gear oil, oil pump, top end kit, (think the vacuum elbow pipe) and in tank filter.

Dont quote me on these, the actual items are listed in the manual.  I have a pic somewhere that ill dig for. . . .

But the above mentioned is anywhere from 15-19K dealer and labor cost dependent. 

Me myself I ride 80% + in 1st gear and so does my riding partner on his 2014 250.

He currently sitting on around 850hrs with only 3 top ends done.  Owned the bike since 13hrs and yes.  He has only replaced the piston 3 times and the 4th one is nearly due.
The recipe is a clean filter regardless of looks and Motul 710.  His 2013 300 Six days also did just over 1000hrs on only 4 top ends.  Bottom end never touched.
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Re: KTM 300tpi
« Reply #57 on: April 20, 2020, 09:31:22 am »
KTM recommend a R16k service at 60 hours, something ridiculous like that.

Thanks, but what is involved then?

I'll be doing this work myself, can't be rocket science ... and if some diagnostic equipment is required (TPI?) then I'll ask my friendly dealer to do that for me only, cannot see a reason why they would not be willing to do such.
That saves moola plus it for me is part and parcel of this hobby, I actually enjoy such things  ;)
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Re: KTM 300tpi
« Reply #58 on: April 20, 2020, 12:45:12 pm »
Jip, absolutely no need to take bike to dealership for any type of service.

Only reason I could see is if you would like to change the map or they release ECR's of some sort.  1hr labor and thats that.

Top end, fluids, suspension can all be done at home
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