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Offline gerhardipad89

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2013 BMW R1200GS LC enters limp mode
« on: April 23, 2020, 03:46:41 pm »
Hi everyone,

Today on my way to buy groceries (of course), my bike suddenly lost power and started to idle. The engine light and yellow warning light also came on. This suddenly happened when hard accelerating in 6th gear. Turned the engine off and on, and problem gone. But when I tested the bike with another hard acceleration in 6th gear, it happened again...

Do you guys have any thoughts on this matter?

Thanks and cheers!
Gerhard
 

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Re: 2013 BMW R1200GS LC enters limp mode
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2020, 10:25:11 am »
When it goes limp .. Is it idling something like this ?
https://youtu.be/ai_Cw9YY7Uk?

 

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Re: 2013 BMW R1200GS LC enters limp mode
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2020, 10:43:20 am »
Hy hou nioe van lock down staan nie... kak in die injectors? ;-)
 

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Re: 2013 BMW R1200GS LC enters limp mode
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2020, 01:27:26 pm »
Where in the EC are you?

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Re: 2013 BMW R1200GS LC enters limp mode
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2020, 08:21:24 pm »
Based in Potch. Ironically bike was serviced day before lockdown. After entering limp (emergency operation mode), the bike sort of sputtered. RPMs didn't exceed like 2000-3000, even if I opened throttle. But after engine off and on, normal.
 

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Re: 2013 BMW R1200GS LC enters limp mode
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2020, 10:19:07 am »
Ok.  A little far from me.  Your profile says you're in the Eastern Cape.

Sounds like a faulty throttle body to me.  Can you have diagnostics done on the bike?   Someone with a GS911 will be able to assist.
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Re: 2013 BMW R1200GS LC enters limp mode
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2020, 04:00:23 pm »
Will try to find someone after lockdown, thanks for feedback!
 

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Re: 2013 BMW R1200GS LC enters limp mode
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2020, 12:08:40 pm »
Got your PM.  I would seriously consider taking it back to BMW and let them sort it out - no charge.

Software can cause all kinds of kak.
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Re: 2013 BMW R1200GS LC enters limp mode
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2020, 08:31:32 pm »
Some feedback. I got hold of a diagnostic tool. Below this reply is the report. From reading a number of posts it seems that it might be the throttle. My guess is the two 'channels' the report is referring to are two potentiometers as part of the throttle position sensor. And they are out of sync (but only in a very specific scenario, which results in limp mode). But why? Maybe a bent wire, a loose contact, or the potentiometers, or software?

Any thoughts would be appreciated!

If I can't fix it by the time lockdown ends I will take it to the dealer.

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21F9A1 : Throttle valve 2 (left), comparing error, raw value
Currently present : NO
Engine warning light (MIL) : NO
Frequency count : 4Logistic(Healing) count : 22..
Fault Code History : ....Record number : 1....
Odometer : 31060.0 km....
ABS time : 16577006....
Throttle valve angle channel 1 adapted from throttle valve 2 : 80.01 %....
Throttle valve angle channel 2 adapted from throttle valve 2 : 65.45 %....
Engine speed : 4549.5 rpm...
Battery voltage : 14.48 V....
« Last Edit: May 05, 2020, 08:55:55 pm by gerhardipad89 »
 

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Re: 2013 BMW R1200GS LC enters limp mode
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2020, 08:52:14 pm »
Some feedback. I got hold of a diagnostic tool. Below this reply is the report. From reading a number of posts it seems that it might be the throttle itself. My guess is the two 'channels' the report is referring to are two potentiometers in the fly-by-wire throttle. And they are out of sync (but only in a very specific scenario, which results in limp mode). But why? Maybe a bent wire, a loose contact, or the potentiometers? I removed the cable plug at the throttle, sprayed some Q20 and took it for a ride. At first I thought it was fixed, but on my last turn I fully opened the throttle (while in 6 gear) and it happened again. BUT, it was more difficult to induce the resulting limp mode than before (I had a few runs and only happened on the last when really pushing it). Obviously I still need to fix it as I don't want this happening while overtaking a car at speed.

So my thinking now is that I need to determine whether it is a wiring (harnass) or potentiometer (throttle sensor) issue. Does anyone have ideas on how to do this? I have a multimeter and can probably check voltage on throttle pins, but there are 6 of them, where do I start? :o

Maybe you know someone who is a clued up on the electronics?

Any thoughts would be appreciated!

Cheers!

21F9A1 : Throttle valve 2 (left), comparing error, raw value
Currently present : NO
Engine warning light (MIL) : NO
Frequency count : 4Logistic(Healing) count : 22..
Fault Code History : ....Record number : 1....
Odometer : 31060.0 km....
ABS time : 16577006....
Throttle valve angle channel 1 adapted from throttle valve 2 : 80.01 %....
Throttle valve angle channel 2 adapted from throttle valve 2 : 65.45 %....
Engine speed : 4549.5 rpm...
Battery voltage : 14.48 V....

Your left throttle body is faulty.

Try this:  Remove both throttle bodies and swap them around. I.e. put the one that is currently on the left cylinder onto the right cylinder and visa versa.  Take it for a ride and get it to go into limp mode again.  Then run diagnostics again.

I can almost guarantee that you first line will read " ... throttle valve 1 (right) ..."
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Re: 2013 BMW R1200GS LC enters limp mode
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2020, 08:59:18 pm »
Thanks for the quick reply! Hoping it is software. Will take it to dealer after lockdown. Do you know if specific part (e.g. sensor) can be replaced, or entire unit, which from what I read is very costly.
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Re: 2013 BMW R1200GS LC enters limp mode
« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2020, 06:13:20 am »
Entire unit only.
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Re: 2013 BMW R1200GS LC enters limp mode
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2020, 03:14:54 pm »
Did you get this sorted?
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Re: 2013 BMW R1200GS LC enters limp mode
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2020, 10:01:35 pm »
Hi Jughead,

I did yes, thanks. Seems that it was a connection issue at the throttle assembly. Problem hasn't showed up again. Took a nice ride today.

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Re: 2013 BMW R1200GS LC enters limp mode
« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2020, 07:13:09 pm »
Hey guys, I have the same hassle. A few ks after the 10k service the bike cut to idling. A factory recall job on the quick shift was done. In the middle of a busy intersection the bike died..to idling. I idled to safe parking, switched off then on and all okay. This problem keeps repeating itself.  Been to the dealer x3 since. Now on 35 0000kms. Just last week same again but with a difference...stuck on about 3000rpm. Reboot....wonít reset. Thought I may have to call bmw customer services to come collect as its a breakdown, again. Tried to restart a few times and same result. Left it overnight, the next morning itís absolutely normal. 10ídays now okay but it is going to happen again. Any advice??
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