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Supermoto... Your advice please..
« on: May 10, 2020, 08:37:31 pm »
Hi All

I want to buy a bike to convert to a SM..

I want to do about 6 km a day through traffic.. So this should be the most fun.. Thinking of getting a 450 X or a CRF 450.

Has anyone done it? Any advice?
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Re: Supermoto... You advice please..
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2020, 08:57:56 pm »
Do you not prefer a SM to start off?

I know of a Husqvarna 510 SM with Fi here in Nelspruit, that was available before lock-down.

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Re: Supermoto... You advice please..
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2020, 09:25:55 pm »
990 SM say no more.
 

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Re: Supermoto... You advice please..
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2020, 06:39:06 am »
like such :thumleft:
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Re: Supermoto... You advice please..
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2020, 06:41:56 am »
i am converting my KLX 450 to motard trim at the moment, more road use then motard racing, wheels are pricey I am using 3 spoke Suzuki mag wheels
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Re: Supermoto... You advice please..
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2020, 07:49:30 am »
Something like a G450X can be a good start, but in saying that, the conversion is going to be a few Randelas together with the registration (if not already on the road).

I had a Husky 610SM (bought on the forum for just over R30k) for about 2 years, loved the experience and ability of the bike.  My 2c would be to look at the 610SM, KTM SMC or even if you could find one, a G650X-Moto (AlwynGS has one and can comment on that bike).

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Re: Supermoto... Your advice please..
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2020, 08:16:01 am »
Hi all

Thanks for the comments so far... The 990 seems to me to big... Is it still nimble and agile and light?

I am not a small man so the bigger bike can be better 120kg on a 450 meigh not work? .. The advice for getting a SM to start with seems valid will be less expensive..

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Re: Supermoto... Your advice please..
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2020, 08:59:50 am »
There is the DRZ 400 SM which comes with everything in place but compared to the KTM's and Husky it is geared much more for reliability and commuting than being a hooligan bike. Will make a lot less power than the others. You will get longer service intervals etc.
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Re: Supermoto... Your advice please..
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2020, 09:54:32 am »
I have a CCM 404 DS, that I have fixed up that I will let go after lockdown, has a Suzuki DRZ Engine.

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Re: Supermoto... Your advice please..
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2020, 01:38:41 pm »
definitely go for a factory build one, the ccm is a nice buy if the price is right or a husky, there are a few around and prices are good as they are notoriously bad sellers,[people are afraid] but if serviced they will last as long as a jap bike. my advice is not to use a motocross bike, you will be quickly become bored with it,any doubt about that try and use one for a week.if you are 16 yrs old however they may be fun to go to school on. the ktm 950sm was a great bike and out sold and out classed the 990 by far, well documented move in the wrong direction for ktm, do some research,.i researched supermotos for years before investing,as i wanted to do a little sm racing, an accident in the meantime put paid to that, however i did end up investing in a new ktm 690 supermoto, bad move, i should have bought the 950sm. another top tip for free, dont tell the wife you want to get into SM, i did and got a leather hot dog eating mask for christmas.
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Re: Supermoto... Your advice please..
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2020, 01:42:03 pm »
But the 990 SM to me is not a true motard. Super Motards as we know them are normally mid range single machines. For commuting a twin would most likely make a lot more sense. Any high performance single is going to be a bit of a waste for daily use.
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Re: Supermoto... Your advice please..
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2020, 01:53:02 pm »
But the 990 SM to me is not a true motard. Super Motards as we know them are normally mid range single machines. For commuting a twin would most likely make a lot more sense. Any high performance single is going to be a bit of a waste for daily use.

Agreed. If one takes a look at how true motards are used, the 990 is just too unwieldy due to it's bulk. But it would work well as a commuter motard, if you live with heavy-ish fuel usage.
 

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« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2020, 02:49:00 pm »
i agree, defo no ktm 990 for you, so go have a look at the 950sm and fall in love, its a buyers market out there.at 120kg you would be way to cramped on a mx bike.
 

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Re: Supermoto... Your advice please..
« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2020, 02:59:33 pm »
The 990 SM/T/R is not a true SM bike, like it's not a converted dirt bike, and weighs A LOT more but you can definitelys crew around on it, flick it through traffic etc but still climb on the highway and bang along for 100kms at silly speeds with no issue. I wouldnt try jump it up curbs though....Allow wheels and not a huge amount of suspension compared to ADV or 690/701 bikes.

The 690/701 might be more in the middle of the 2 if you can find one.....Spoked wheels, lighter, can hit curbs etc.
 

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« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2020, 03:28:37 pm »
i bought a 690sm, but wish i had bought the carb version 950sm from ktm, i tested one but didn't have the balls to buy it, thinking that maintenance was an issue ,have since learned that's its no big deal. in fact a little 450 moto cross bike is going to need more servicing.
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« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2020, 03:36:02 pm »
i agree, defo no ktm 990 for you, so go have a look at the 950sm and fall in love, its a buyers market out there.at 120kg you would be way to cramped on a mx bike.

Never thought I was man enough for a 950SM, but I'm on the smaller side of things 175cm and 75kg, but man I enjoy the 950ADV. 

Back to Super Motard things, decide on whether you want a big/fire breather type SM (950SM, Hypermotard, Dorsoduro) or smaller one (701/690SM/X-Moto/610/Aprilia SXV - super rare and more finicky)  or smallest practical one (DRZ-SM, great bike, easy to maintain, unfortunately not the most powerful).  And consider alloy vs spoked wheels, as mentioned, big bikes tend to have alloys.

For me the TE610SM was enough for short trips (<15km), always fun to jump a curb, wheelie machine, blow your hair back. Bought mine from Kykdaar (massive fan of these bikes and a big oke).

Edit: To answer your question, yes the bigger SM bikes (as listed) are still very nimble and chuckable.
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« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2020, 03:37:24 pm »
i bought a 690sm, but wish i had bought the carb version 950sm from ktm, i tested one but didn't have the balls to buy it, thinking that maintenance was an issue ,have since learned that's its no big deal. in fact a little 450 moto cross bike is going to need more servicing.

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Re: Supermoto... You advice please..
« Reply #18 on: May 11, 2020, 04:30:37 pm »
like such :thumleft:

Like so :biggrin:

This is not a SM, it is a adventure bike with street tyres on. :pot:
 

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« Reply #19 on: May 11, 2020, 05:05:54 pm »
No.i think that is the 990, not the original 950.