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Re: How Harley-Davidson Killed Itself
« Reply #80 on: October 02, 2020, 07:28:37 pm »
Apparently according to motoring scribes Harley will I longer bring the sportster range to Europe from2021 due to euro 5 emissions coming into play. The sportster is a big seller an is a “gateway “ Harley.

Hope they working on a liquid cooled motor for a new sportster range. We wait n see.

This might apparently be the replacement.
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Re: How Harley-Davidson Killed Itself
« Reply #81 on: October 18, 2020, 08:48:01 pm »
"Tradition" seems to be a bastid.....

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Re: How Harley-Davidson Killed Itself
« Reply #82 on: October 18, 2020, 09:46:26 pm »
"Tradition" seems to be a bastid.....



Not really. The Indian makes more power , a lot more, but where does it make that power?

Harley afaik easily outsells Indian in spite of,

Traidition is what sells Harley, it’s what the motor company is built on.
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Re: How Harley-Davidson Killed Itself
« Reply #83 on: October 19, 2020, 08:03:52 am »
"Tradition" seems to be a bastid.....



Not really. The Indian makes more power , a lot more, but where does it make that power?

Harley afaik easily outsells Indian in spite of,

Traidition is what sells Harley, it’s what the motor company is built on.

AFAIK in terms of numbers Harley is outselling Indian and a lot of other brands, but Harley sales keep falling quarter after quarter, whereas other brands are growing.
 

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Re: How Harley-Davidson Killed Itself
« Reply #84 on: October 19, 2020, 10:32:21 am »
Harley is a viable brand. It will survive.

Might not have the range or all the gizmos but it will survive.

I think if they retreat like this then they will stand a chance..

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/25/business/harley-davidson-india-exit/index.html

I agree. India was a crap market for HD. It’s a hero Honda type market not a Harley market. In time it will be though.

https://advrider.com/harley-davidson-working-on-indian-market-deal/

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Re: How Harley-Davidson Killed Itself
« Reply #85 on: October 19, 2020, 10:58:34 am »
Think Harley must take the leap and go full out for electric non-cruiser bikes of various sizes and applications, that leans (a bit) to the premium side in terms of technology, quality and durability to set itself apart from electric offerings of other makes. A BMW of the electric bike world, so to speak.

That would also attract a new (younger) type of customer with whom they can hopefully build a growing relationship.
 

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Re: How Harley-Davidson Killed Itself
« Reply #86 on: October 19, 2020, 11:07:58 am »

AFAIK in terms of numbers Harley is outselling Indian and a lot of other brands, but Harley sales keep falling quarter after quarter, whereas other brands are growing.

All the brands taking strain currently.

Think one should compare Harley to other brands that focus on the cruiser market. indian, Victory etc.

Indian was once the biggest selling motorcycle brand in the world iirc...  and they had a sales plummet in latter half of the 2010's thus a low base to start off. I certianly think they probably appeal more to the younger market with the eyes on horsepower etc.. Their engines are infintely better than harleys when viewed from the absolute performance aspect and their bikes look cool...lets not beat about the bush on this.

Harley went into hyperdrive and built this huge empire from which there was only one way to go really and the new CEO is trying to turn that around...

Harley is absolutely a lifestyle, one i dont necessairly subscribe too but its undeniable and when i go to my local dealer ppl go there to socialise with other owners, its a meeting point, a social point where like minded folks get together for no oterh reason but to be there... harley may go bang in its current format, but the brand is powerful and osmeone will come along and buy it an keep it going in a trimmed version, the brand loyalty is probably more so than any other brand, this you cannot put a number on.

I shmaak my roadster, it gets the thumbs up from ppl and the pretty girls... its a piece of crap in motorcycle techno terms and its cumbersome and goes like a john deere, but maybe thats the allure...

67 bhp from 1202 cc is pathetic, but it makes me grin...thats what it is about
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Re: How Harley-Davidson Killed Itself
« Reply #87 on: October 20, 2020, 03:09:50 pm »

I shmaak my roadster, it gets the thumbs up from ppl and the pretty girls... its a piece of crap in motorcycle techno terms and its cumbersome and goes like a john deere, but maybe thats the allure...

67 bhp from 1202 cc is pathetic, but it makes me grin...thats what it is about

True 1st comment... ;)

and 2nd comment  is what riding is all about.... :thumleft:
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Re: How Harley-Davidson Killed Itself
« Reply #88 on: October 22, 2020, 05:21:28 pm »
Just got my harley back from Guildford Harley. It is under warranty so took to agents.

112 pounds an hour labour, thats 2400 ZA ront ...every hour... farking hell and i did not even have a free coffee cos coffee bar is closed due to c 19 shite
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Re: How Harley-Davidson Killed Itself
« Reply #89 on: October 22, 2020, 06:38:55 pm »

AFAIK in terms of numbers Harley is outselling Indian and a lot of other brands, but Harley sales keep falling quarter after quarter, whereas other brands are growing.

All the brands taking strain currently.

Think one should compare Harley to other brands that focus on the cruiser market. indian, Victory etc.

Indian was once the biggest selling motorcycle brand in the world iirc...  and they had a sales plummet in latter half of the 2010's thus a low base to start off. I certianly think they probably appeal more to the younger market with the eyes on horsepower etc.. Their engines are infintely better than harleys when viewed from the absolute performance aspect and their bikes look cool...lets not beat about the bush on this.

Harley went into hyperdrive and built this huge empire from which there was only one way to go really and the new CEO is trying to turn that around...

Harley is absolutely a lifestyle, one i dont necessairly subscribe too but its undeniable and when i go to my local dealer ppl go there to socialise with other owners, its a meeting point, a social point where like minded folks get together for no oterh reason but to be there... harley may go bang in its current format, but the brand is powerful and osmeone will come along and buy it an keep it going in a trimmed version, the brand loyalty is probably more so than any other brand, this you cannot put a number on.

I shmaak my roadster, it gets the thumbs up from ppl and the pretty girls... its a piece of crap in motorcycle techno terms and its cumbersome and goes like a john deere, but maybe thats the allure...

67 bhp from 1202 cc is pathetic, but it makes me grin...thats what it is about
Get some Screaming Eagle parts and push that bad boy to 70hp  >:D
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Re: How Harley-Davidson Killed Itself
« Reply #94 on: October 29, 2020, 08:14:53 am »
Good luck to Harley, but they'll find themselves in a strange pond filled to the brim with competing fish.

Their motorcycles used to sell on everything but good value, so let us see how they shape in this market.
 

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Re: How Harley-Davidson Killed Itself
« Reply #95 on: October 30, 2020, 07:32:44 am »
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Re: How Harley-Davidson Killed Itself
« Reply #96 on: October 30, 2020, 07:47:29 am »
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Re: How Harley-Davidson Killed Itself
« Reply #97 on: November 17, 2020, 03:10:38 pm »
So only Yamaha and Indian left in AMA Flat Track .....

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