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How Harley-Davidson Killed Itself
« on: May 19, 2020, 01:28:18 pm »



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Re: How Harley-Davidson Killed Itself
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2020, 03:58:12 pm »
RIP Harley.

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Re: How Harley-Davidson Killed Itself
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2020, 04:43:18 pm »
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Re: How Harley-Davidson Killed Itself
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2020, 05:05:32 pm »
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Re: How Harley-Davidson Killed Itself
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2020, 05:29:08 pm »
I very well remember the dissent in the ranks of Harley fans when HD went EVO, and started their line of yuppy apparel and equipment, leaving the old faithful skollie behind.

I also personally saw the introduction of 700cc Jap bikes to counter the Reagan import tax tariffs, to protect an "American icon".

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Re: How Harley-Davidson Killed Itself
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2020, 06:12:51 pm »
I love all bikes. Some more than others. For a large group of people this is the bike that they love
and the lifestyle they build around it. Will be sad to see Harley go under. I do not belief they will go under
maybe some changes but just too many fanatical Harley riders around. May they forever be able to ride their Harleys :ricky: :ricky:
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Re: How Harley-Davidson Killed Itself
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2020, 06:47:41 pm »
Harley is a viable brand. It will survive.

Might not have the range or all the gizmos but it will survive.
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Re: How Harley-Davidson Killed Itself
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2020, 06:53:38 pm »
Rather save and resurrect the air cooled DS thumper
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Re: How Harley-Davidson Killed Itself
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2020, 07:21:00 pm »
Rather save and resurrect the air cooled DS thumper

That's a big part of Harley's problem, they never had a air cooled Thumper.
 

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Re: How Harley-Davidson Killed Itself
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2020, 08:08:15 pm »
Okay, I watched the video, and agree with what he is saying. In that case HD already lost the plot in 1969 when Honda introduced the Z50. HD should have countered with a 50cc monkeybike of their own. Imagine how cool that would have been. Plus you get children to buy into HD as a lifestyle, so one day when they grow up they will buy a bigger HD.
 

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Re: How Harley-Davidson Killed Itself
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2020, 09:04:44 pm »

Harley did have a 65cc "monkey bike" they also had 50cc bikes, back in 60s and 70s.

https://nationalmcmuseum.org/2019/05/31/1972-harley-davidson-mc-65-shortster/
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Re: How Harley-Davidson Killed Itself
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2020, 09:38:21 pm »

Harley did have a 65cc "monkey bike" they also had 50cc bikes, back in 60s and 70s.

https://nationalmcmuseum.org/2019/05/31/1972-harley-davidson-mc-65-shortster/

HD missed one great component of the Japanese bikes, reliability. People quickly learnt that you buy a Jap bike because you get real value for your money.
 

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Re: How Harley-Davidson Killed Itself
« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2020, 10:08:44 pm »
Don't know if I've ever mentioned it, but I'm not Harley's biggest fan.  :peepwall: However.......

That Live Wire electric jobbie looks good and might well convert me if only.......

That's if only they could halve the size and weight of the battery and halve it's charging time whilst doubling it's range.

But I don't see them doing that in my lifetime so it looks like my prejudice remains intact.
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Re: How Harley-Davidson Killed Itself
« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2020, 12:52:48 am »
Hmmm, more recent news about this....



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Re: How Harley-Davidson Killed Itself
« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2020, 02:19:21 am »

Harley did have a 65cc "monkey bike" they also had 50cc bikes, back in 60s and 70s.



I remember those Clive. They were sourced from Italy. My first boss offered me the loan of one of the little Italian Harleys one afternoon after I had thrown my 850 away, it was around a 125cc as I remember. The bike wouldn't start, the clutch cable end had mysteriously come undone in the shed and even by the standards of the day it looked like a heap of shit. Just to make it worse I had a big roasty up my arse, ruined a good pair of work trousers and had to catch a bus home. Great times!
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Re: How Harley-Davidson Killed Itself
« Reply #15 on: May 20, 2020, 07:36:16 am »

Harley did have a 65cc "monkey bike" they also had 50cc bikes, back in 60s and 70s.

https://nationalmcmuseum.org/2019/05/31/1972-harley-davidson-mc-65-shortster/

Now that I did not know. Very cool. Thanks
 

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Re: How Harley-Davidson Killed Itself
« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2020, 11:29:47 am »
In that initial video I was very interested to learn how the directors massaged the EPS number by buying back shares.  Rising EPS is a coarse measure of how well a company is doing so the rising EPS resulted in rising share price.  Directors got big bonuses tied to the share price performance.  Trouble was they were either squandering the cash reserves or borrowing money to be able to buy back shares.

There is the link to the little 65cc monkey bike.  That came when H-D bought Aermacchi.  I well remember the fabulous 250cc Aermacchi of the early 60s which Harley got.  They then 'Americanised' the styling.  The original was very fast and good handling for its time
 

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Re: How Harley-Davidson Killed Itself
« Reply #17 on: May 20, 2020, 12:22:41 pm »
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Re: How Harley-Davidson Killed Itself
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Re: How Harley-Davidson Killed Itself
« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2020, 10:14:55 am »
aa hd rider and fan ..hd will outlive trump i reckon... they are big in states , big in many 3rdworld type countries and they are modernising while keeping the old school style and look … minute they re release easyrider in good economy sales will increase..
saying all this i haven't watched the clip yet but will soon … as soon as salt mine allows extra time a bit
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