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Alarm specifically for motorcycles - Should I?
« on: May 26, 2020, 10:52:36 am »
An alarm is like insurance - a grudge purchase. Nobody likes getting the latest and greatest alarm, and then you need to remember to arm and/or disarm it, worry about it killing your battery, and try retrofitting a cheap car alarm because motorcycle specific alarms are few and far between.

But what if all that could change? What if you could get an alarm designed specifically for motorcycles, that
  • Arms by itself, you can never forget to arm it.
  • Optionally disarms by itself.
  • Will not kill your battery
  • Will not invalidate your warrantee
  • Installs in a few minutes, with no modifications to existing wiring

Last year motorcycle thefts appeared to be rising, especially for bigger adventure bikes. The GS seems to have become a sought after bike, one member here woke up to find his bike pushed out of his garage. A house in my neighbourhood had the palisade fence cut and his bikes pushed out, and stolen. These cases are numerous.

Due to the spate of thefts reported here on Wilddogs, and elsewhere, I started developing an alarm for motorcycles. I have completed development, with prototypes running in a few bikes. This alarm works quite well. It is not an immobiliser, it is simply an alarm that makes a very loud noise. It is triggered by any movement of the bike. The idea of the alarm is to notify you of the attempted theft, and hopefully scare the thiefs away.

While the alarm works very well for its intended purpose, I am unfortunately not a manufacturer in China that can make these things by the 1000's for very cheap. Production cost is most economical when I produce a 100 or more. This requires quite a sizeable investment from my side, which I am willing to make... if I know the alarm will sell. Unfortunately I am not a marketer, I have no marketing skills.

With this thread I hope to gauge the interest in such an alarm, and so help me decide whether I should go ahead and manufacture a 100 of these, or if I will be wasting my money.

Sale price will be around R1250, and it will be a self-install.

Some technical info:
  • Connect only to your bike's battery.
  • Intelligently learns your battery voltages to know when your engine is running (alternator charging)
  • Self learning algorythm that determines when you park your bike (at any angle/slope)
  • Built-in inertial movement sensor to detect bumps, movement, and tilts (lifting off the side stand, for example)
  • Draws approximately 300uA, even while active.
  • Screams at 100dB+
  • Can be configured to disarm itself when you start the bike.
  • Normal disarming is by way of a secure ID tag you insert into a receptacle.
  • S.O.S feature - If you fall or have an accident the alarm will emit standard S.O.S morse code until it is lifted upright again, helping your friends locate you

I'd appreciate any thoughts and expression of interest.

Edit: Here's two photos. Glasses for scale. Main unit size is 55 x 40mm, cylindrical. Next to it is the tag, and to the left is the tag recepticle. Shown without wiring. All the electronics built into the back of the siren.
« Last Edit: May 26, 2020, 04:13:57 pm by OomD »
 

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Re: Alarm specifically for motorcycles - Should I?
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2020, 10:58:29 am »
 :thumleft: good idea, well done, not in the market but this will surely appeal to the guys who park their bikes under awnings. most home thefts have happened in that scenario.
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Re: Alarm specifically for motorcycles - Should I?
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2020, 11:02:55 am »
An audible alarm, and a nice loud one, is definitely a deterrent for thieves.

This is why thieves will break a car window of even an unlocked vehicle, to avoid tripping the alarm. 
 

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« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2020, 11:05:49 am »
 :imaposer:  Sorry, I can't help but laugh  :imaposer:
 

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Re: Alarm specifically for motorcycles - Should I?
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2020, 11:09:39 am »
Sounds great! I'd be keen.
@Operator, would this have any effect on insurance premiums?

Intelligently learns your battery voltages to know when your engine is running (alternator charging)

Would this play nice with battery chargers and tenders? If you haven't done so already I would suggest doing some testing with a few different types/brands.
Happy to loan you my Optimate if you need it.

Also, can I suggest including a way of adjusting the sensitivity of the motion sensor if possible.
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Re: Alarm specifically for motorcycles - Should I?
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2020, 11:17:44 am »
Arms by itself, you can never forget to arm it.
Optionally disarms by itself.
Will not kill your battery
Will not invalidate your warrantee

Standard on my 2003 Harley, shows you how far ahead they are....... >:D :ricky:
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Re: Alarm specifically for motorcycles - Should I?
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2020, 11:20:28 am »
Sounds great! I'd be keen.
Operator, would this have any effect on insurance premiums?
I suspect it would need VESA approval if insurers are accept it, and that is unfortunately an expensive process. Not impossible, though, but it will not happen initially.

Intelligently learns your battery voltages to know when your engine is running (alternator charging)
Would this play nice with battery chargers and tenders? If you haven't done so already I would suggest doing some testing with a few different types/brands.
Happy to loan you my Optimate if you need it
All sorted, plays nicely with chargers. :thumleft:

Also, can I suggest including a way of adjusting the sensitivity of the motion sensor if possible.
That can be added, although for what purpose? If it is to reduce false alarms then that's already sorted too.
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Re: Alarm specifically for motorcycles - Should I?
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2020, 11:40:46 am »
Sounds great! I'd be keen.
@Operator, would this have any effect on insurance premiums?

Not really, cause it is not a requirement by the insurer.

Just like tracking devices....................some insurers dont give any (or much) discount if theft of bikes
is not really a problem for them.
 
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Re: Alarm specifically for motorcycles - Should I?
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2020, 11:43:39 am »
  • S.O.S feature - If you fall or have an accident the alarm will emit standard S.O.S morse code until it is lifted upright again, helping your friends locate you

How will this work?
Connected to (a?) cellular network perhaps?
If so a SIM with monthly charges applies?
Curious...  :thumleft:
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Re: Alarm specifically for motorcycles - Should I?
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2020, 11:47:31 am »
All sorted, plays nicely with chargers.

Here's my alter-ego Devil's Advocate!
How about, whilst on charge, our Trusty Eskom lets go..... and comes back, worse, after a few initial re-tries.... still no false alarms?
Sorry OomD, I like this idea but would hate to get out of bed when...  :-[
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Re: Alarm specifically for motorcycles - Should I?
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2020, 11:49:39 am »
:imaposer:  Sorry, I can't help but laugh  :imaposer:
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Re: Alarm specifically for motorcycles - Should I?
« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2020, 11:51:37 am »
  • S.O.S feature - If you fall or have an accident the alarm will emit standard S.O.S morse code until it is lifted upright again, helping your friends locate you

How will this work?
Connected to (a?) cellular network perhaps?
If so a SIM with monthly charges applies?
Curious...  :thumleft:
No, no SIM or networks or anything. It will simply emit the S.O.S tone on the siren until the bike is picked up again, thus only an audible aid in locating the bike. This feature can be disabled, of course.
 

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Re: Alarm specifically for motorcycles - Should I?
« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2020, 11:53:21 am »
All sorted, plays nicely with chargers.

Here's my alter-ego Devil's Advocate!
How about, whilst on charge, our Trusty Eskom lets go..... and comes back, worse, after a few initial re-tries.... still no false alarms?
Sorry OomD, I like this idea but would hate to get out of bed when...  :-[
Nope, no false alarms. The battery voltage is never used to trigger the alarm, so the charger can switch on and off as it wants.
 

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« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2020, 11:54:17 am »
:imaposer:  Sorry, I can't help but laugh  :imaposer:
If you ever do buy a house in SA, and get a bike here of course, you might just have to consider this.  :thumleft: :ricky:
 

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« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2020, 12:16:19 pm »
:imaposer:  Sorry, I can't help but laugh  :imaposer:
in light of your recent interest in joining us from the land of milk and safety. I will leave you with this BO. he who laughs last, laughs hardest.


:imaposer:  Sorry, I can't help but laugh  :imaposer:
If you ever do buy a house in SA, and get a bike here of course, you might just have to consider this.  :thumleft: :ricky:


I'm sorry for laughing, I really am, I'd better not move there, I'll end up in prison, I cannot stand thieves. 
 

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Re: Alarm specifically for motorcycles - Should I?
« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2020, 12:17:09 pm »
All good then OomD, so now for the tricky one's  :P
This is an adventure forum after all, so how about drowning the thing/unit?
Also, that ID-tag in a receptacle, is that an electrical contact (dust you see...) or is it a non-contact (RF, hall effect or why) system?
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« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2020, 12:28:48 pm »
All good then OomD, so now for the tricky one's  :P
This is an adventure forum after all, so how about drowning the thing/unit?
Also, that ID-tag in a receptacle, is that an electrical contact (dust you see...) or is it a non-contact (RF, hall effect or why) system?
No worries, appreciate any feedback :thumleft:

Drowning - No, the unit is not waterproof by default, due to the significant cost of making things waterproof. In addition to the fact that waterproofness will likely dampen the siren significantly. All the electronics is contained inside the siren itself. That being said, making it waterproof as a DIY option will simply be a matter of enclosing the unit in a plastic bag of sorts.

ID-tag receptacle - Electrical contact, in order to achieve the low current consumption. While dust, dirt and grime might normally be a factor the ID tag's contacts are self cleaning  - they rub against the contacts in the receptacle instead of simply touching it.
 

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« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2020, 12:38:55 pm »
Thank you kindly!
Perhaps you want to give the size of this unit here (or a pic)?
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Re: Alarm specifically for motorcycles - Should I?
« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2020, 12:46:52 pm »
is the sensor a tilt or vibration sensor? if vibration, can its sensitivity be adjusted?

what would be the approximate dimensions of the control unit?

so no integration into the flashers, to indicate arm/disarm - will it sound arm/disarm?
 

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« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2020, 01:40:34 pm »
Thank you kindly!
Perhaps you want to give the size of this unit here (or a pic)?
Will post a pic later today. :thumleft: