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Transferring SA Bike license to EU
« on: July 01, 2020, 08:40:33 am »
My brother has just buggered off to France.

He did his bike license literally 2 days before leaving, so he only got the paper temp license. From his understanding the license will be honored in france but he is supposed to have some letter called the "Confirmation of South African Driving License."  He's got an old one for his car license but is looking for the wording on the Motorcycle version.


Anyone have one of these?
 

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Re: Transferring SA Bike license to EU
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2020, 08:43:09 am »
Looks like so, but or Bike not car:

 

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Re: Transferring SA Bike license to EU
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2020, 10:21:11 am »
I am speaking subject to correction, but I think the AA can assist him.
 

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Re: Transferring SA Bike license to EU
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2020, 10:38:02 am »
I am speaking subject to correction, but I think the AA can assist him.

Problem is that he's in France.  He has his international drivers permite from AA but needs to convert this to the French license within a year.
 

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Re: Transferring SA Bike license to EU
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2020, 08:59:07 pm »
What I suggest is that me goes to his local community centre where he is registered as a resident and ask them for the exact requirements (will be complicated).

I could only convert my car drivers license and that still took three months and I had to meet all the requirements and Brussels is a little more relaxed with expats.

Had to do my motorcycle license from scratch and that included theory in the local language, eight hours of paid training and bike hire and then the test which also had to include bike hire and an instructor. An expensive exercise.

Suggest he rather just get a bicycle :).

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Re: Transferring SA Bike license to EU
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2020, 11:12:24 pm »
What I suggest is that me goes to his local community centre where he is registered as a resident and ask them for the exact requirements (will be complicated).

I could only convert my car drivers license and that still took three months and I had to meet all the requirements and Brussels is a little more relaxed with expats.

Had to do my motorcycle license from scratch and that included theory in the local language, eight hours of paid training and bike hire and then the test which also had to include bike hire and an instructor. An expensive exercise.

Suggest he rather just get a bicycle :).

Heís already shipped his Harley from SA. Itís on the boat with the rest of his stuff.

Heís trying to avoid all that but needs the letter like the one above, he just wants to see what the wording is if itíll be acceptable in France.
 

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Re: Transferring SA Bike license to EU
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2020, 01:50:04 pm »
To the best of my knowledge, although EU accepts international licence for tourists from SA, they do not accept to convert a licence from SA as they do not recognise it.

   
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Re: Transferring SA Bike license to EU
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2020, 02:58:30 pm »
To the best of my knowledge, although EU accepts international licence for tourists from SA, they do not accept to convert a licence from SA as they do not recognise it.

 

France does it seems.

If anyone has a letter like this of their own that we can look at please DM me.
 

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Re: Transferring SA Bike license to EU
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2020, 08:46:44 pm »
UK does too, without a letter.

Or so it seems, I'm busy transferring mine into a UK license. But I did lie a little bit on the paperwork, so will let yous know how it goes.

Once I've a Brit license, I can then covert it to a Dutch license without doing tests, etc.

EU countries have their own individual laws on licensing.

I've never seen one of those letters ever, hope I don't need one.
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Re: Transferring SA Bike license to EU
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2020, 08:52:51 pm »
UK does too, without a letter.

Or so it seems, I'm busy transferring mine into a UK license. But I did lie a little bit on the paperwork, so will let yous know how it goes.

Once I've a Brit license, I can then covert it to a Dutch license without doing tests, etc.

EU countries have their own individual laws on licensing.

I've never seen one of those letters ever, hope I don't need one.

Brits recognise ZA licence an takes a week to convert. No tests etc. Just a photo a few forms an yr old licence. Licence is valid all over EU. But brexit will end that. Belgium iirc allows you to just change british to Belgian. I believe Netherlands will as well.

Remember the K53 was imported from uk. UK recognises the licence from the date yr licence card was first issued.
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« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2020, 08:53:53 pm »
the last 3 years in the uk, for south africans to convert, you have to take a theory test. takes about an hour. mostly road signs. our niece, nephew, husband have just done it. before that it was just swopped over.
 

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« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2020, 09:16:48 pm »
Doing mine as we speak, no test needed but you do have to be in the UK. Send your SA license to the DVLA. I didn't even send a pic or any money. They have my info from my passport.

Had to lie about when I arrived and where I live  (I'm still here) so will see ........................... a little bit of lawlessness  :biggrin:
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Re: Transferring SA Bike license to EU
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2020, 09:40:12 pm »
Doing mine as we speak, no test needed but you do have to be in the UK. Send your SA license to the DVLA. I didn't even send a pic or any money. They have my info from my passport.

Had to lie about when I arrived and where I live  (I'm still here) so will see ........................... a little bit of lawlessness  :biggrin:

Cost me 60 quid and had to send my passport as well as I am not British.

You donít get ur za licence back. Is it not a legal requirement to carry yr za licence in za?
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Re: Transferring SA Bike license to EU
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2020, 09:43:08 pm »
the last 3 years in the uk, for south africans to convert, you have to take a theory test. takes about an hour. mostly road signs. our niece, nephew, husband have just done it. before that it was just swopped over.

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Never heard of a test required. Maybe something new
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Re: Transferring SA Bike license to EU
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2020, 10:02:19 pm »
Looks like so, but or Bike not car:


You can get that doc from the Enatis Critical Transaction Centre in Midrand



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I picked up one for another WD there 2 years ago and mailed it to UK for him.

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Re: Transferring SA Bike license to EU
« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2020, 09:59:01 am »
the last 3 years in the uk, for south africans to convert, you have to take a theory test. takes about an hour. mostly road signs. our niece, nephew, husband have just done it. before that it was just swopped over.

Ke?

Never heard of a test required. Maybe something new


maybe its a yorkshire thing ? but yes, they had to do a theory test re the road signs, but not a big hassle , they all passed and got the uk license, the south african one was not returned.

 

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Re: Transferring SA Bike license to EU
« Reply #17 on: July 04, 2020, 01:30:00 am »
Iirc, one for one swap is only allowed for skilled migrants in EU

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Re: Transferring SA Bike license to EU
« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2020, 07:55:38 am »
Doing mine as we speak, no test needed but you do have to be in the UK. Send your SA license to the DVLA. I didn't even send a pic or any money. They have my info from my passport.

Had to lie about when I arrived and where I live  (I'm still here) so will see ........................... a little bit of lawlessness  :biggrin:

Cost me 60 quid and had to send my passport as well as I am not British.

You donít get ur za licence back. Is it not a legal requirement to carry yr za licence in za?

It is, I went and got a new one.
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Re: Transferring SA Bike license to EU
« Reply #19 on: July 04, 2020, 09:57:52 am »
Depends on weather you are a ZA resident or not.
I rented a car in ZA without having a ZA licence.
My EU one did the trick.

Every Tom, Dick and Harry bought their za license anyway; It's not worth the plastic it's printed on. (or perhaps I should say Themba, Dlamini and Hloudi)

From my experience, if you are not a resident of ZA but a skilled migrant in EU:
-SARS can go fuck themselves
-you don't pay tax on 30% of your income for 8 years
-you can swap your ZA licence to an EU one by completing an online form

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