Author Topic: The DRZ Thread (Read 55216 times)

2StrokeDan · « **Reply #1640 on:** June 06, 2011, 08:31:39 pm »

Better than OEM. Lightly spoken famous last words. Jap OEM virtually unbeatable.
Runner, youi must add oil to those engines, then they'll make it past 60secs.

MildDog · « **Reply #1641 on:** June 07, 2011, 02:57:43 pm »

CASE SAVERS

I have bought some thermoplast sheeting from maizeys and will be making some case-savers for R250 a set. i am just making one or two extras because i may as well while i'm at it.
anyone keen for a set?
PM me

Rolf · « **Reply #1642 on:** June 07, 2011, 03:18:57 pm »

Quote from: MildDog on June 07, 2011, 02:57:43 pm

CASE SAVERS

I have bought some thermoplast sheeting from maizeys and will be making some case-savers for R250 a set. i am just making one or two extras because i may as well while i'm at it.
anyone keen for a set?
PM me

Mmm that info is a bit vague. You'll need to specify which thermoplastic it is, the thickness and atleast give a photo of what it looks like. There is atleast a couple of dozen types of thermoplastics available with several different physical properties for each that would have a very differenct impact, flex and strength rating.

MildDog · « **Reply #1643 on:** June 07, 2011, 05:06:23 pm »

Quote from: Rolf on June 07, 2011, 03:18:57 pm

Mmm that info is a bit vague. You'll need to specify which thermoplastic it is, the thickness and atleast give a photo of what it looks like. There is atleast a couple of dozen types of thermoplastics available with several different physical properties for each that would have a very differenct impact, flex and strength rating.

I know *nothing* about thermplastics. I'll make up my set and then post pics. It's 3mm, black. It's the standard stuff they sell at maizey's in Paarden Eiland.

N[]vA · « **Reply #1644 on:** June 07, 2011, 05:06:59 pm »

Quote from: MildDog on June 07, 2011, 05:06:23 pm

Quote from: Rolf on June 07, 2011, 03:18:57 pm
Mmm that info is a bit vague. You'll need to specify which thermoplastic it is, the thickness and atleast give a photo of what it looks like. There is atleast a couple of dozen types of thermoplastics available with several different physical properties for each that would have a very differenct impact, flex and strength rating.

I know *nothing* about thermplastics. I'll make up my set and then post pics. It's 3mm, black. It's the standard stuff they sell at maizey's in Paarden Eiland.

>.<

face palm moment immanent?

MildDog · « **Reply #1645 on:** June 07, 2011, 10:14:33 pm »

Ok, so I did *some* research. I bought perspex, acrylic sheets of perspex. I found this document. It talks about load strength and heat deformation and chemical deformation. Most of it is beyond me.

http://www.perspex.co.za/Uploads/TechnicalManual/46%27PERSPEX%27%20PROPERTIES.pdf

My plan is to make some and see what happens.

As long as it doesn't get to above 80c it'll be fine. I need to heat to somewhere between 145-165 to get it to deform nicely. It's about as scratch resistant as aluminum, and you need to use a 9H pencil to mark it.

I'll give this a read, it's on how to work with thermplastic:

http://www.theplasticshop.co.uk/plastic_technical_data_sheets/working_with_perspex_manual.pdf

Rolf · « **Reply #1646 on:** June 07, 2011, 10:29:23 pm »

Quote from: MildDog on June 07, 2011, 10:14:33 pm

Ok, so I did *some* research. I bought perspex, acrylic sheets of perspex. I found this document. It talks about load strength and heat deformation and chemical deformation. Most of it is beyond me.

http://www.perspex.co.za/Uploads/TechnicalManual/46%27PERSPEX%27%20PROPERTIES.pdf

My plan is to make some and see what happens.

As long as it doesn't get to above 80c it'll be fine. I need to heat to somewhere between 145-165 to get it to deform nicely. It's about as scratch resistant as aluminum, and you need to use a 9H pencil to mark it.

I'll give this a read, it's on how to work with thermplastic:

http://www.theplasticshop.co.uk/plastic_technical_data_sheets/working_with_perspex_manual.pdf

Give the perpex a shot but I have a feeling it is not going to work, it shatters too easily. Might still protect your casing in a fall which is what it would be for right? If you can manage in some way to form Polystone HD300 or higher then you will have the perfect material. It is a high density polyethylene that is abrasion, acid and impact resistant. I have tried before with some 5mm Polystone but you need to heay it up pretty high in order to start shaping it. I could not get it without it distorting. I might have been too impatient. Not sure what the Hyde products are made of but if you have ever seen it, the polystone looks and feels very similar.

MildDog · « **Reply #1647 on:** June 07, 2011, 10:37:21 pm »

Ok, so I am making some case savers using thermoplastic perspex sheets. 3mm think 30cm * 30 cm. I have no idea what I'm doing. Rolf pointed that out. i'll post on this thread as the project progresses. I have in mind a massive empire that makes perspex case savers for all the DRZ's in the world. My mother thinks I am making infant-sized bullet proof shields. I may just end up wasting time and and deforming thermoplastic sheeting. Time will tell...

I did *some* research. I bought perspex, acrylic sheets of perspex. I found this document. It talks about load strength and heat deformation and chemical deformation. Most of it is beyond me.

http://www.perspex.co.za/Uploads/TechnicalManual/46%27PERSPEX%27%20PROPERTIES.pdf

My plan is to make some and see what happens.

As long as it doesn't get to above 80c it'll be fine. I need to heat to somewhere between 145-165 to get it to deform nicely. It's about as scratch resistant as aluminum, and you need to use a 9H pencil to mark it.

I'll give this a read, it's on how to work with thermplastic:

http://www.theplasticshop.co.uk/plastic_technical_data_sheets/working_with_perspex_manual.pdf

So far all i know is 3mm sheets work in 30 minute cycles for annealling to occur, and I hope to sh*t i didn't buy extruded perspex. I'll phone Maizey tomorrow and inquire.

MildDog · « **Reply #1648 on:** June 07, 2011, 11:23:55 pm »

Quote from: Rolf on June 07, 2011, 10:29:23 pm

Give the perpex a shot but I have a feeling it is not going to work, it shatters too easily. Might still protect your casing in a fall which is what it would be for right? If you can manage in some way to form Polystone HD300 or higher then you will have the perfect material. It is a high density polyethylene that is abrasion, acid and impact resistant. I have tried before with some 5mm Polystone but you need to heay it up pretty high in order to start shaping it. I could not get it without it distorting. I might have been too impatient. Not sure what the Hyde products are made of but if you have ever seen it, the polystone looks and feels very similar.

Who would sell Polystone HD300? And how hot does it have to get?

I've got the hyde bash plate, it is a much less brittle substance than these sheets of perspex. The main thing with the DRZ is that when the bike falls over the gear lever punches a hole into the engine casing, so quite a simple case-saver could be used, just something to disperse that energy across a wider area. I'd imagine a 5mm sheet would also be too thick? The 3mm perspex already seems thicker than I'd like. I've started a 'project thread' i'll post pics and stuff soon.

I'm not sure exactly how I'm going to form it yet. I think I'll heat to 170c then place onto the case (which will not be attached to the bike) and let it take shape using gravity, then leave it to cool to room temperature.

Rolf · « **Reply #1649 on:** June 08, 2011, 12:11:21 am »

Quote from: MildDog on June 07, 2011, 11:23:55 pm

Quote from: Rolf on June 07, 2011, 10:29:23 pm
Give the perpex a shot but I have a feeling it is not going to work, it shatters too easily. Might still protect your casing in a fall which is what it would be for right? If you can manage in some way to form Polystone HD300 or higher then you will have the perfect material. It is a high density polyethylene that is abrasion, acid and impact resistant. I have tried before with some 5mm Polystone but you need to heay it up pretty high in order to start shaping it. I could not get it without it distorting. I might have been too impatient. Not sure what the Hyde products are made of but if you have ever seen it, the polystone looks and feels very similar.

Who would sell Polystone HD300? And how hot does it have to get?

I've got the hyde bash plate, it is a much less brittle substance than these sheets of perspex. The main thing with the DRZ is that when the bike falls over the gear lever punches a hole into the engine casing, so quite a simple case-saver could be used, just something to disperse that energy across a wider area. I'd imagine a 5mm sheet would also be too thick? The 3mm perspex already seems thicker than I'd like. I've started a 'project thread' i'll post pics and stuff soon.

I'm not sure exactly how I'm going to form it yet. I think I'll heat to 170c then place onto the case (which will not be attached to the bike) and let it take shape using gravity, then leave it to cool to room temperature.

Yes 5mm is too thick. You can buy Polystone from Maizey but it is considerably more expensive than perspex. Give it a shot with the perspex and lets see how it looks

Hagar · « **Reply #1650 on:** June 08, 2011, 07:08:31 am »

Will follow you progress, have been thinking along similar lines (though I didn't plan an empire), I considered using Kydex, the stuff used to make holsters.

lecap · « **Reply #1651 on:** June 08, 2011, 07:38:00 am »

Quote from: MildDog on June 07, 2011, 11:23:55 pm

...The main thing with the DRZ is that when the bike falls over the gear lever punches a hole into the engine casing, ...

Step away from your project, have a beer or a cup of coffee and then weld a plate onto the gearshift lever.

GRIM · « **Reply #1652 on:** June 08, 2011, 09:07:12 am »

Google vacuum forming, It'll be just the thing for this.
PP or ABS will work perfectly.

sidetrack · « **Reply #1653 on:** June 08, 2011, 02:27:21 pm »

TT case savers, alumunium is your best bet. Made my own, took ages but worked like a bomb.

http://members.iinet.net.au/~acclaim2/Mikes%20Motorcycle%20Page/TT%20Case%20L.JPG

g1_ · « **Reply #1654 on:** June 08, 2011, 03:00:59 pm »

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1WayRay · « **Reply #1655 on:** June 08, 2011, 04:56:09 pm »

Howsit everyone, I have recently purchased a drz in order to find out what all the fun is about

The bike however came with a missing plastic... the side plastic that covers the battery. I phoned the dealership to get one, but they dont have any in SA and will have to order.

Does anyone know where I can get an aftermarket one in Gauteng ?

MalcolmX · « **Reply #1656 on:** June 08, 2011, 05:10:26 pm »

Milddog, are you going to transform your Z into a DAKAR bike because of all the mods you want to do??

sidetrack · « **Reply #1657 on:** June 08, 2011, 06:26:47 pm »

Quote from: 1WayRay on June 08, 2011, 04:56:09 pm

Howsit everyone, I have recently purchased a drz in order to find out what all the fun is about

The bike however came with a missing plastic... the side plastic that covers the battery. I phoned the dealership to get one, but they dont have any in SA and will have to order.

Does anyone know where I can get an aftermarket one in Gauteng ?

You can buy online from http://www.wheelingcyclesupply.com/shop/3/4/index.shtml. Locally you will only get yellow and wait for stock. Maybe someone has a secondhand one to sell ?

MildDog · « **Reply #1658 on:** June 08, 2011, 08:53:50 pm »

Quote from: sidetrack on June 08, 2011, 06:26:47 pm

You can buy online from http://www.wheelingcyclesupply.com/shop/3/4/index.shtml. Locally you will only get yellow and wait for stock. Maybe someone has a secondhand one to sell ?

I think between n[]va and I we may have a spare one, but it's missing those metal clips on it, so not sure if that helps.

www.renz.co.za do have stock of plastics for DRZs as well. try them.

N[]vA · « **Reply #1659 on:** June 08, 2011, 08:56:54 pm »

Quote from: MildDog on June 08, 2011, 08:53:50 pm

Quote from: sidetrack on June 08, 2011, 06:26:47 pm
You can buy online from http://www.wheelingcyclesupply.com/shop/3/4/index.shtml. Locally you will only get yellow and wait for stock. Maybe someone has a secondhand one to sell ?

I think between n[]va and I we may have a spare one, but it's missing those metal clips on it, so not sure if that helps.

www.renz.co.za do have stock of plastics for DRZs as well. try them.

Yea I need that one to seal up my air vents for D/S riding