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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #1140 on: January 15, 2021, 08:23:30 am »

And this is once again what happens when you open a stage.

If Sunderland isnít careful the rookie might get podium at the rate Sam is losing ground.


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By now at least 3 other guys caught up to him physically - including Benavides, so he is going to stop the time bleed just by sticking with them. However right now it is panning out as I expected 2 Hondas at the top and Sam 3rd overall.
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BB effectively ruined Hondas sure chance of a podium lockout. 
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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #1141 on: January 15, 2021, 08:34:30 am »
Vocal cords being warmed up  >:D
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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #1142 on: January 15, 2021, 08:36:01 am »

And this is once again what happens when you open a stage.

If Sunderland isnít careful the rookie might get podium at the rate Sam is losing ground.


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By now at least 3 other guys caught up to him physically - including Benavides, so he is going to stop the time bleed just by sticking with them. However right now it is panning out as I expected 2 Hondas at the top and Sam 3rd overall.
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BB effectively ruined Hondas sure chance of a podium lockout.

That wasn't foregone conclusion at all as far as I can see, even without relying on a wild card (or I should rather say assuredly unreliable card) as BB.

But yes, KTM has a lot work to do if they want to rein in Honda's push ahead. I think they need to rebuild their team. Despite having couple of Dakar winners there from the past, the only one I see really competitive now is TP. And I also believe that he will sooner rather than later quite bikes and move to cars - too many injuries are clear sign to move on. The others who won (Walkner and Sam) are not leaders and do not stand to pressure very well.

For me as a bike user hoping to benefit from some of the R&D done in Dakar (I'm actually riding bike build for Dakar now), it will be interesting to see next year - once Honda starts selling their bike to non factory members, how the bike will do compared to KTM which is basically default choice (the only choice more or less) for non-factory riders. The only problem is - unlike KTM - for Honda there is massive gap between their race machines and what they then offer to Joe Schmoe like me (CRF250 Rally or some such). Which is a shame. But maybe the success in Dakar will push them to come up with something exciting for general market again (like they had with XRR century ago).
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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #1143 on: January 15, 2021, 08:36:18 am »
Yup, he bled out till the followers caught up and that locked in the finishing positions barring a big mishap!

If he makes a 10minute mistake Sanders will probably get podium. Although for now itís locked in.


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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #1144 on: January 15, 2021, 08:42:35 am »

And this is once again what happens when you open a stage.

If Sunderland isnít careful the rookie might get podium at the rate Sam is losing ground.


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By now at least 3 other guys caught up to him physically - including Benavides, so he is going to stop the time bleed just by sticking with them. However right now it is panning out as I expected 2 Hondas at the top and Sam 3rd overall.
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BB effectively ruined Hondas sure chance of a podium lockout.

That wasn't foregone conclusion at all as far as I can see, even without relying on a wild card (or I should rather say assuredly unreliable card) as BB.

But yes, KTM has a lot work to do if they want to rein in Honda's push ahead. I think they need to rebuild their team. Despite having couple of Dakar winners there from the past, the only one I see really competitive now is TP. And I also believe that he will sooner rather than later quite bikes and move to cars - too many injuries are clear sign to move on. The others who won (Walkner and Sam) are not leaders and do not stand to pressure very well.

For me as a bike user hoping to benefit from some of the R&D done in Dakar (I'm actually riding bike build for Dakar now), it will be interesting to see next year - once Honda starts selling their bike to non factory members, how the bike will do compared to KTM which is basically default choice (the only choice more or less) for non-factory riders. The only problem is - unlike KTM - for Honda there is massive gap between their race machines and what they then offer to Joe Schmoe like me (CRF250 Rally or some such). Which is a shame. But maybe the success in Dakar will push them to come up with something exciting for general market again (like they had with XRR century ago).
Couldnít agree more.

There needs to be a drastic change in KTMís rider lineup. TP is the only guy there that can beat the rest of the field and he has both the rally intelligence and sheer talent/crazy to win.

Walkner and Sam are just not close to TPís level.

But TPís exit from bikes is closer than we think. Then KTM is stuck with, to my mind, second tier riders none of whom really are on another level like TP. To be fair, he is scarce.


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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #1145 on: January 15, 2021, 08:45:08 am »

And this is once again what happens when you open a stage.

If Sunderland isnít careful the rookie might get podium at the rate Sam is losing ground.


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By now at least 3 other guys caught up to him physically - including Benavides, so he is going to stop the time bleed just by sticking with them. However right now it is panning out as I expected 2 Hondas at the top and Sam 3rd overall.
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BB effectively ruined Hondas sure chance of a podium lockout.

That wasn't foregone conclusion at all as far as I can see, even without relying on a wild card (or I should rather say assuredly unreliable card) as BB.

But yes, KTM has a lot work to do if they want to rein in Honda's push ahead. I think they need to rebuild their team. Despite having couple of Dakar winners there from the past, the only one I see really competitive now is TP. And I also believe that he will sooner rather than later quite bikes and move to cars - too many injuries are clear sign to move on. The others who won (Walkner and Sam) are not leaders and do not stand to pressure very well.

For me as a bike user hoping to benefit from some of the R&D done in Dakar (I'm actually riding bike build for Dakar now), it will be interesting to see next year - once Honda starts selling their bike to non factory members, how the bike will do compared to KTM which is basically default choice (the only choice more or less) for non-factory riders. The only problem is - unlike KTM - for Honda there is massive gap between their race machines and what they then offer to Joe Schmoe like me (CRF250 Rally or some such). Which is a shame. But maybe the success in Dakar will push them to come up with something exciting for general market again (like they had with XRR century ago).

I agree, I think KTM needs a reshuffle. I like Matias, humble and eager. He had a big mishap, but smiled while fixing it and then soldiered on like each day like a champ. Don't think he stands out on Nav like Ross does.

Think Honda put a lot of effort into the team's Nav skills and it showed last year already. They have also come a long with with engine failures, etc. Much like where Yamaha is now.

Really hope Yamaha can grow through this like Honda did. They have  really good talent with Adrian and Ross there. Give  them 2 more years.

But if the sleeping Giant KTM does not wake up soon, might be hard to keep up.

We used to have the Greats like Depress and Coma, a bit of TP. But now, it seems so much more level and open regarding the skill off all, no one is really light years ahead. So if Yamaha can sort them selves out, then we would have a nice  3 way manufacture battle going forward
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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #1146 on: January 15, 2021, 08:47:00 am »
KTM will do well to sign Ross when Toby moves... and I'm guessing that'll be as soon as next year.
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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #1147 on: January 15, 2021, 08:48:02 am »
Van Beveren out?

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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #1148 on: January 15, 2021, 08:48:06 am »
KTM will do well to sign Ross when Toby moves... and I'm guessing that'll be as soon as next year.
I would not be unhappy about that.


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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #1149 on: January 15, 2021, 08:57:53 am »

I agree, I think KTM needs a reshuffle. I like Matias, humble and eager. He had a big mishap, but smiled while fixing it and then soldiered on like each day like a champ. Don't think he stands out on Nav like Ross does.

Think Honda put a lot of effort into the team's Nav skills and it showed last year already. They have also come a long with with engine failures, etc. Much like where Yamaha is now.

Really hope Yamaha can grow through this like Honda did. They have  really good talent with Adrian and Ross there. Give  them 2 more years.

But if the sleeping Giant KTM does not wake up soon, might be hard to keep up.

We used to have the Greats like Depress and Coma, a bit of TP. But now, it seems so much more level and open regarding the skill off all, no one is really light years ahead. So if Yamaha can sort them selves out, then we would have a nice  3 way manufacture battle going forward

Not a chance for Yamaha as far as I can see. Simply because they do not care. Their 'factory team' is not factory team at all - it is team of Yamaha Europe or France or some such. If the factory itself would really put themselves behind this then they would have to develop specific bike like Honda did, spend years fine tuning it (again as Honda did) before they will get competitive. And I see no signs on Yamaha's side of that hapenning.

Sorry for Ross, but I think he is on platform that will hinder him big time. Just few years ago I was rooting for AVB big time (when he was winning and then crashed out of race in one of the last stages) and look where he is now - quietly sleeping down the rankings into oblivion.

As much as it would be little nasty for Ross to dump Yamaha just after one year, as far as I can see Yamaha is not coming (or intending to) to the party on their side. Their bike is half assed effort at converting stock MX bike into rally racer. So for Ross to have realistic chance at podium, he might need to move to KTM or Honda.
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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #1150 on: January 15, 2021, 09:00:34 am »
Vocal cords being warmed up  >:D

09:34 Benavides closes in on the title
After overtaking Sam Sunderland, now Kevin Benavides is opening the way. Despite this difficult task, the Argentinean has managed to gain thirty seconds over Ricky Brabec with only 50 km left before the finishing line. The title is within the grasp of Benavides.

drumroll......

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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #1151 on: January 15, 2021, 09:03:43 am »

And this is once again what happens when you open a stage.

If Sunderland isnít careful the rookie might get podium at the rate Sam is losing ground.


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By now at least 3 other guys caught up to him physically - including Benavides, so he is going to stop the time bleed just by sticking with them. However right now it is panning out as I expected 2 Hondas at the top and Sam 3rd overall.
.
BB effectively ruined Hondas sure chance of a podium lockout.

That wasn't foregone conclusion at all as far as I can see, even without relying on a wild card (or I should rather say assuredly unreliable card) as BB.

But yes, KTM has a lot work to do if they want to rein in Honda's push ahead. I think they need to rebuild their team. Despite having couple of Dakar winners there from the past, the only one I see really competitive now is TP. And I also believe that he will sooner rather than later quite bikes and move to cars - too many injuries are clear sign to move on. The others who won (Walkner and Sam) are not leaders and do not stand to pressure very well.

For me as a bike user hoping to benefit from some of the R&D done in Dakar (I'm actually riding bike build for Dakar now), it will be interesting to see next year - once Honda starts selling their bike to non factory members, how the bike will do compared to KTM which is basically default choice (the only choice more or less) for non-factory riders. The only problem is - unlike KTM - for Honda there is massive gap between their race machines and what they then offer to Joe Schmoe like me (CRF250 Rally or some such). Which is a shame. But maybe the success in Dakar will push them to come up with something exciting for general market again (like they had with XRR century ago).

I agree, I think KTM needs a reshuffle. I like Matias, humble and eager. He had a big mishap, but smiled while fixing it and then soldiered on like each day like a champ. Don't think he stands out on Nav like Ross does.

Think Honda put a lot of effort into the team's Nav skills and it showed last year already. They have also come a long with with engine failures, etc. Much like where Yamaha is now.

Really hope Yamaha can grow through this like Honda did. They have  really good talent with Adrian and Ross there. Give  them 2 more years.

But if the sleeping Giant KTM does not wake up soon, might be hard to keep up.

We used to have the Greats like Depress and Coma, a bit of TP. But now, it seems so much more level and open regarding the skill off all, no one is really light years ahead. So if Yamaha can sort them selves out, then we would have a nice  3 way manufacture battle going forward

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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #1152 on: January 15, 2021, 09:07:13 am »
@Bappas : We are talking Dakar race here, not global sales of bikes to Indonesian farmers.

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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #1153 on: January 15, 2021, 09:09:52 am »
Honda please now give us this model you teased us with to celebrate another victory, Ride Red !
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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #1154 on: January 15, 2021, 09:12:18 am »

And this is once again what happens when you open a stage.

If Sunderland isnít careful the rookie might get podium at the rate Sam is losing ground.


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By now at least 3 other guys caught up to him physically - including Benavides, so he is going to stop the time bleed just by sticking with them. However right now it is panning out as I expected 2 Hondas at the top and Sam 3rd overall.
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BB effectively ruined Hondas sure chance of a podium lockout.

That wasn't foregone conclusion at all as far as I can see, even without relying on a wild card (or I should rather say assuredly unreliable card) as BB.

But yes, KTM has a lot work to do if they want to rein in Honda's push ahead. I think they need to rebuild their team. Despite having couple of Dakar winners there from the past, the only one I see really competitive now is TP. And I also believe that he will sooner rather than later quite bikes and move to cars - too many injuries are clear sign to move on. The others who won (Walkner and Sam) are not leaders and do not stand to pressure very well.

For me as a bike user hoping to benefit from some of the R&D done in Dakar (I'm actually riding bike build for Dakar now), it will be interesting to see next year - once Honda starts selling their bike to non factory members, how the bike will do compared to KTM which is basically default choice (the only choice more or less) for non-factory riders. The only problem is - unlike KTM - for Honda there is massive gap between their race machines and what they then offer to Joe Schmoe like me (CRF250 Rally or some such). Which is a shame. But maybe the success in Dakar will push them to come up with something exciting for general market again (like they had with XRR century ago).

I agree, I think KTM needs a reshuffle. I like Matias, humble and eager. He had a big mishap, but smiled while fixing it and then soldiered on like each day like a champ. Don't think he stands out on Nav like Ross does.

Think Honda put a lot of effort into the team's Nav skills and it showed last year already. They have also come a long with with engine failures, etc. Much like where Yamaha is now.

Really hope Yamaha can grow through this like Honda did. They have  really good talent with Adrian and Ross there. Give  them 2 more years.

But if the sleeping Giant KTM does not wake up soon, might be hard to keep up.

We used to have the Greats like Depress and Coma, a bit of TP. But now, it seems so much more level and open regarding the skill off all, no one is really light years ahead. So if Yamaha can sort them selves out, then we would have a nice  3 way manufacture battle going forward

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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #1155 on: January 15, 2021, 09:12:24 am »
@Bappas : We are talking Dakar race here, not global sales of bikes to Indonesian farmers.

No we are talking about motorcycle manufacturers !   You should really look at the numbers !  And and if you want to look what manufactures are capable off regarding design   same thing !
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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #1156 on: January 15, 2021, 09:13:36 am »
@Bappas : We are talking Dakar race here, not global sales of bikes to Indonesian farmers.

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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #1157 on: January 15, 2021, 09:15:31 am »
Another thing to look forward to is where Howes will end next year, I am sure he will score a factory ride after his 2021 performance

BTW, how old is the Madala?
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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #1158 on: January 15, 2021, 09:15:51 am »
@Bappas : We are talking Dakar race here, not global sales of bikes to Indonesian farmers.

No we are talking about motorcycle manufacturers !   You should really look at the numbers !  And and if you want to look what manufactures are capable off regarding design   same thing !

No, you (using royal we) are talking about bike sales. Renrew was talking about Dakar race, which if you look at the bike used by the competitors is currently clearly dominated in terms of numbers by KTM and its clones. Simple as that - no matter how many exclamation marks you push.
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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #1159 on: January 15, 2021, 09:16:03 am »
Just canít compete against the Buggyís unless youíre Nasser:



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