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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2020, 03:58:25 pm »
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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2020, 11:57:17 am »
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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2020, 12:55:26 pm »
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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2020, 01:02:51 pm »
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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2020, 08:32:34 pm »
 

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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2020, 08:50:27 pm »
A summary of the key changes made to the rules, by Long Way Home.

« Last Edit: November 25, 2020, 01:49:29 pm by Dutchie »
 

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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #26 on: November 24, 2020, 09:17:40 pm »
- No fixing in the fuel stops is going to make things interesting. Fuel stops are neutralised zones, so there are no penalties for fixing your bike in them. Now if you want to fix your bike, you are going to have to do it in the timed section. So every second spent fixing it is going to cost.

- Limited to 6 rear tires. That makes it just another thing to consider in the strategy and certainly riding style. I wonder if you're going to find lower order guys who have tires left being able to donate their tyres?

- Speed zones? Not sure where they'll have them, but from experience, it's boring trying to stay within a k or 2 of a limit for hours on end if the track is ok. It's flipping hard when the track can't be ridden safely at the speed limit, because you slow down for the tricky bits and then want to open up for the flatter stuff only to have to remember not to go over the limit.

- Airbags, can only be a good thing for safety, I bet the wallet is going to sting badly!

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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #27 on: November 25, 2020, 02:00:22 pm »
- Limited to 6 rear tires. That makes it just another thing to consider in the strategy and certainly riding style. I wonder if you're going to find lower order guys who have tires left being able to donate their tyres?

How many tyres did the flatout guys use previously? Surely considerably more than 6... a new one every race day?

I am all for the safety and I feel a lot is being done about that in areas that make sense by, in order of logical sense imo; a) a more technical course with less fast sections and b) speed control zones (although if this one is overdone it could just be crap for various reasons), but this is not only a race of attrition, it's still a race of fastest guy to the end wins. The way I see it, this rule has the theoretical (exaggerated?) potential of limiting the fastest guys from being exactly that.

I'd be pissed if I was faster than you but had to dawdle about at the same pace as you, to save my tyre while you're riding at your best pace because your best pace consumes less rubber.

Or am I being full of shit?
« Last Edit: November 25, 2020, 02:01:07 pm by Dutchie »
 

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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #28 on: November 25, 2020, 02:40:59 pm »
I agree Dutchie.
At some point it becomes a regularity rally instead of a race.

Although, make no mistake, there is skill involved in conserving tyres.
Theoretically they should leave tyre numbers open, but all tyre changes should be done by the rider and be included in your race time. Then, the rider decides whether to cane a tyre and spend the time to swop it versus saving the tyre and saving on changing time.

While we are talking theoretically, they should discard mandatory bivouacs. Competitors should decide whether to stop and rest or not..... :pot:
Let's see what the Pro's are like with minimal sleep.
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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #29 on: November 25, 2020, 04:28:05 pm »
Health and Safety regulations are destroying everything, make two classes in all racing!

Class one for the bunny huggers and all their restrictions, class two for the brave that dont mind risking their lives with no restrictions on anything, full speed flat out, flat taps on machines that are at the pinnacle of development.

And then the same at Olympics, a class for the slow people and the second class for people so full of roids their dicks have fallen off and their tits have shriveled up.

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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #30 on: November 26, 2020, 11:11:30 am »
The tyre problem can be solved by developing tyres that last longer, perhaps use 50/50s or similar. Whatever will last 2 or 3 days of hard riding.

Then the fast guy can still ring it's neck, he'll just be travelling a bit slower.

In essence, he'll be riding a crap bike as fast as he can. Same goes for the slow guy.
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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #31 on: November 26, 2020, 03:14:31 pm »
I agree Dutchie.
At some point it becomes a regularity rally instead of a race.

Although, make no mistake, there is skill involved in conserving tyres.
Theoretically they should leave tyre numbers open, but all tyre changes should be done by the rider and be included in your race time. Then, the rider decides whether to cane a tyre and spend the time to swop it versus saving the tyre and saving on changing time.

While we are talking theoretically, they should discard mandatory bivouacs. Competitors should decide whether to stop and rest or not..... :pot:
Let's see what the Pro's are like with minimal sleep.

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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #32 on: November 26, 2020, 04:21:33 pm »
Almost time again!!
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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #33 on: November 26, 2020, 08:00:27 pm »
 

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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #34 on: December 01, 2020, 05:23:01 pm »
- Limited to 6 rear tires. That makes it just another thing to consider in the strategy and certainly riding style. I wonder if you're going to find lower order guys who have tires left being able to donate their tyres?

How many tyres did the flatout guys use previously? Surely considerably more than 6... a new one every race day?

I am all for the safety and I feel a lot is being done about that in areas that make sense by, in order of logical sense imo; a) a more technical course with less fast sections and b) speed control zones (although if this one is overdone it could just be crap for various reasons), but this is not only a race of attrition, it's still a race of fastest guy to the end wins. The way I see it, this rule has the theoretical (exaggerated?) potential of limiting the fastest guys from being exactly that.

I'd be pissed if I was faster than you but had to dawdle about at the same pace as you, to save my tyre while you're riding at your best pace because your best pace consumes less rubber.

Or am I being full of shit?

Hey Dutchie i also agree with you. These top guys go there with their super fast bikes to go and and ride superfast  . . .  >:(
« Last Edit: December 01, 2020, 05:23:32 pm by JK »
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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #35 on: December 01, 2020, 05:27:37 pm »
@Rallyerider 2

If you can ever get yourself some connectivity whilst on the race and throw a few lines in here, it would be hugely appreciated.

Also, any info on the car you care to share. There's a bunch on rally nerds, myself included, who love anything to do with rally.

Yes for sure any bits u are allowed to share on those awesome sounding bakkies will be much appreciated. 8)
And huge congrats to you guys getting the nod for the Dakar we will be supporting you guys for sure  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #36 on: December 02, 2020, 10:12:10 am »
I see Audi announced they'll be heading for Dakar in a hybrid.
Not in 2021 though.

Also, sad to see VW has stopped all their Factory Racing projects.
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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #37 on: December 03, 2020, 04:05:18 pm »
Not a single Saffer in the bikes category this year?

https://storage-aso.lequipe.fr/ASO/motorSports_dak/dakar2021-engages-moto.pdf
 

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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #38 on: December 03, 2020, 04:11:30 pm »
I see Audi announced they'll be heading for Dakar in a hybrid.
Not in 2021 though.

Indeed, 2022 apparently.



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Re: DAKAR 2021
« Reply #39 on: December 03, 2020, 04:15:56 pm »